[Resolved] Transmission downshift at highway speeds and then it wigged out.

[TJC]

Ford has to be bleeding out through all these expenses. I don't see how the business model sustains these costs, unless they price it into the cost of a new truck.

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[Domino77]

Well, Zero dollars because I'm at 56k miles. Powertrain warranty is up to 60k. The invoice didn't price out what it would've been otherwise. I hate to think what they'd have charged otherwise. Interesting entry on the second page that I missed. Apparently after showing where they replaced the clutch spline, they had to come back and make a second fix (which I mentioned prior because they verbally told me), the entry is as follows: "Since the A and E clutches are intact, but the engagement is still harsh - Replaced the main control valve body. Post Road test ok." Their post road test and transmission training was about 6 miles. I've driven it for 3 days now, no random harsh shifting for the first time since I bought it.

I'm at 76k. The mechanic drove it in felt it slip immediately. They are going to fully diagnose possible fixes but worse case is a 9k-11k rebuild. Unless it's maybe the torque converter or only requires a partial tear down. Jebus F*****g christ. If I give it up I owe $15k they'd only pay it off and I'm at ground zero with no down payment and a 6% interest on something new. I want another but for the first time in my life I want to walk away with my middle finger in the air to Ford. Sorry but 76k on a piece of shots trans yeah mods but I don't race the damn thing. Ugh, by the way I'm divorced hence why I'm broke.

 

[Lcr3000]

Well yea, if you go to Ford with it, I imagine it would higher. Looking around my area, it varies from 5k to 7k (rebuilt and labor) for a third-party mechanic.

 

[Stevedbvik1]

There are some used low mileage 2023 ( updated) transmissions out there. Around $2500-$3000 range. You would have to find someone to swap it out. So maybe best case $4000 total.

 

[Domino77]

There are some used low mileage 2023 ( updated) transmissions out there. Around $2500-$3000 range. You would have to find someone to swap it out. So maybe best case $4000 total.

Ford mechanic says Transmission is toast. I quote the mechanic "the inside looks like a Disco ball exploded" the fluid is black with shavings. The battery failure caused the transmission to flip on the internal emergency break at 70mph basically it went into park. Not good. Although I let the battery go beyond limitation how is it a vehicle can do this? That seems crazy to me it's an inherent safety hazard. It is probably a rare incident but it could have been extremely worse. The truck never prompted me to "check battery" only the tiny battery icon on the dash screen. It started everyday. Nothing was happening that would have signaled to me a problem.
Ford says $7,862 + tax, install is included in that. It's a new transmission with a 3 year unlimited mileage warranty. That makes it a little more worth it, my insurance guy says its about 3k for a warranty consider that built in. A rebuilt from an independent shop no warranty is really not worth it only gives me an unreliable truck to trade. I need to depend on it, get 3 years out of it, and move on.
This sucks. But I have a job I have to get to. This option seems the most reliable and quickest, although the most expensive short term. All my options are no better or worse. My remaining car payments and this loan to fix is cheaper than a new truck loan at 6%. When I bought this truck I got 3%. Carvana would give me $17,100 for it and I owe $15,400. So I'd walk with 1,800 for a new truck purchase? Ugh. No option feels good. I love the truck so I'm fixing it, swallow my pills, move on.

 

[airline tech]

For that (Battery Light) to display (ON) it has to see a failure for 30-Seconds, then it will generate the (Check Charging System) Message on the IPC, if I recall the timeline correctly.
Anyway - I would do a full diagnostic on the charging system, more importantly the BMS sensor.
To ensure its not (off setting) the readings.
Yes, for now, the new battery is working but it's best to confirm that all of the charging system is functioning as it should.

 

[bmidd]

The truck never prompted me to "check battery" only the tiny battery icon on the dash screen. It started everyday. Nothing was happening that would have signaled to me a problem.

This whole thread is a mishmash of things you've potentially done wrong and led to the destruction of your transmission. First was incorrect fluid level, then all of your questionable mods, then ignoring a battery light on the dash and saying " nothing was happening that would have signaled me a problem"... it signaled the problem. 99.9% of owners don't have a problem with their transmission, but you'll hear all about that .1% on a forum. Good luck with the fix.

 

[Domino77]

Well, I do apologize, but appreciate the discussions being all over the place. I will move on from this thread. Thanks Everyone!

 

[Stevedbvik1]

This whole thread is a mishmash of things you've potentially done wrong and led to the destruction of your transmission. First was incorrect fluid level, then all of your questionable mods, then ignoring a battery light on the dash and saying " nothing was happening that would have signaled me a problem"... it signaled the problem. 99.9% of owners don't have a problem with their transmission, but you'll hear all about that .1% on a forum. Good luck with the fix.

.1% ???

 

[Colo_Ranger]

.1% ???

Just to play Devil's advocate, that's 20% of the 5% of Ranger owners that are on the forum...

 

[TJC]

This whole thread is a mishmash of things you've potentially done wrong and led to the destruction of your transmission. First was incorrect fluid level, then all of your questionable mods, then ignoring a battery light on the dash and saying " nothing was happening that would have signaled me a problem"... it signaled the problem. 99.9% of owners don't have a problem with their transmission, but you'll hear all about that .1% on a forum. Good luck with the fix.

Cut the guy some slack. 0.1% have transmission problems?!? Do you really beleive that?

RE: Fluid level
I just revently talked with a fellow who worked at a Ford dealsheip for 3 years and one of his tasks was to check and fill the 10R80 transmission. I asked him how thay did it. His reply " We let the truck idle a few minutes and fill to between 4 and 5.

I know beyond a doubt that the fellow (and by entension the dealership) was over filling their cutomer's trucks. The results will cause transmission issues.

I ran extension tests when I filled my transmission fluid to insure I got it right. It took just under 38 minutes for my transmission to heat the fluid up to 180F. That was a 102.7F rise in fluid temps. If I filled the tranmission a to the middle of the fluid range window (the diamond between 4 and 5), the transmission fluid would ahve registered at the diamond between 3 and 4. This is well over filled, and the issue would not reveal it self in shrt runs to thegracery store, but take an hour trip in heavy stop adn go traffic, or at 70+mph and you will sure have transmission problems show up. The fluid will foam, and fluid pressure will drop. Damage will occur.

I believe the problem with modern vehicles is that they depend too much on sensors and electronics to monitor every aspect of engine and transmission functions. When electronic fail, a cascade of nechanical failures occur.

Consider the oil pressure pump pressure controlled by a sensor, transmission shift points controlled by sensors and electrically actuated solenoids. The mechanical cooling fan blade speed controlled by a sensor. Now remember that 7 key systems are tied to the fuse that protected the wiring loom going from the engine block to the floating sensor that measures and controls te fan speed. That floating sensor is help in position by a 50 cent rubber hose that disintegrates over time. When this happens, the cable that wraps itself around the spinning fan shaft and shorts out blowing the fuse that supplied power to 7 key subsystems INCLUDING The engine oil pump. It does not get more critical than this. You find yoruself stranded on the side of the road with a dash full of Christmas tree lights lit up in your face.

How many more of the systems are just as sensitive? I'd wager far too many. Think about how the DPFE sensor (engine emissions control) will damage your transmission when it fails. All of these systems are tied together and a single faliure in one system cascades across systems that never previously affected each other.

Our modern autos are engineered to be fragile.... simple as that. By design or by accident? It does not matter, It is what it is.

 

[Stevedbvik1]

Just to play Devil's advocate, that's 20% of the 5% of Ranger owners that are on the forum...

I get that but it’s also 200 times what he stated. I’m not sure if it’s actually in that 20% range but I am sure it’s not .1%
That was the point of creating the poll, because of statements like that.

 

[Colo_Ranger]

I get that but it’s also 200 times what he stated. I’m not sure if it’s actually in that 20% range but I am sure it’s not .1%
That was the point of creating the poll, because of statements like that.

meh, people with issues thinks is widespread, people without think they’re exaggerating.

no one is going to cross the aisle on this debate. Is it a problem? Yes. Should Ford suck it up and recall the trans, offer the repair for free, and extend the trans warranty? Yes. Will they? Absolutely not.

 

[Ranger_Rocks]

Yesterday during a dealer visit, overheard a Sales Manager's conversation stating, "Everyone's having transmission problems." Guess it's not only Ford.

 

[Colo_Ranger]

Yesterday during a dealer visit, overheard a Sales Manager's conversation stating, "Everyone's having transmission problems." Guess it's not only Ford.

The new Tacomas are having transmission issues. The 10r80 is in GM (called something else). Trying to keep up with EPA standards is causing issues.

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