I'm impressed with

[Tangent]

I think mine is pretty quiet when it starts compare to my old Ranger, When the gas kicks in on our Prius, it feels the same as my Ranger?

Yeah, it's not super bad or anything, but definitely noticable. Kinda wish the button was on the steering wheel, so you could hit it for short stops without reaching/looking down. I always feel like I lost some kind of game when I have to stop for like, 1 second or less.

Wonder at what time frame the fuel gain from stopping outweighs the fuel from starting.

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[hughesjv]

The auto headlights. They come on during the day when I manually switch on the wipers, even intermittent. The dash gauges do not dim to night mode with headlights on/ wipers on during the day.

I am impressed with the head lights too especially how the brights come on and off at exactly the right times...I could not possibly be that accurate.

 

[scubalizard]

I am impressed with the cross traffic sensor, in Houston no one cares that you are backing out of a space (unless they are shark parking) and more than willing to run you over. Already like the alert as everyone drives big trucks and you can’t see around, but those sensors sure can.

 

[FULLSCALE]

I am impressed with the head lights too especially how the brights come on and off at exactly the right times...I could not possibly be that accurate.

I agree with that one. I never shut the auto high beams off!

 

[Enitan]

I am impressed with the head lights too especially how the brights come on and off at exactly the right times...I could not possibly be that accurate.

I agree with that one. I never shut the auto high beams off!

Agreed! Ford knocked it out of the park on this feature with the ranger. I’ve had it on other vehicles and it was clunky and just bad. The ranger is a beast with it. There’s been times where I’ve been just about ready to reach for it when I’d normally cut them or click em up and it goes. Meanwhile I go “oh .... wow” every time

 

[Mokume]

Kind of like a 4 cylinder Pinto motor... well... until you step on the Go Pedal

Good God please don't let my first 4 cyl. Ford product I've ever owned perform like the anemic Lima 2.3 liter Pinto engine of the seventies.
True, this engine was saddled with emission control "stopgap" measures (as all engines were then), but this poor little 4 banger was especially affected.
The Lincoln-Mercury dealership where I worked as a mechanic had 4 of these (Bobcats) as service loaners, we called them the "penalty boxes" all of them sported automatic transmissions. Customers who were "lucky' enough to drive 1 of these gems would beg us to finish their car so that they could be rid of it. True, they were potent dirt track engines, when setup properly.
Hopefully the Ecoboost 2.3 in my 2020 SuperCab shares just 2 things with that woeful engine: displacement and manufacturer.

 

[RedlandRanger]

Good God please don't let my first 4 cyl. Ford product I've ever owned perform like the anemic Lima 2.3 liter Pinto engine of the seventies.
True, this engine was saddled with emission control "stopgap" measures (as all engines were then), but this poor little 4 banger was especially affected.
The Lincoln-Mercury dealership where I worked as a mechanic had 4 of these (Bobcats) as service loaners, we called them the "penalty boxes" all of them sported automatic transmissions. Customers who were "lucky' enough to drive 1 of these gems would beg us to finish their car so that they could be rid of it. True, they were potent dirt track engines, when setup properly.
Hopefully the Ecoboost 2.3 in my 2020 SuperCab shares just 2 things with that woeful engine: displacement and manufacturer.

I can safely say you will have nothing to worry about.

 

[Mokume]

I can safely say you will have nothing to worry about.

Praise the Lord !

 

[khyros]

Yeah, it's not super bad or anything, but definitely noticable. Kinda wish the button was on the steering wheel, so you could hit it for short stops without reaching/looking down. I always feel like I lost some kind of game when I have to stop for like, 1 second or less.

Wonder at what time frame the fuel gain from stopping outweighs the fuel from starting.

That's the great thing about direct injection compared to port injected or worse - carbureted, the fuel gain is instantaneous. Since the fuel is injected directly into the cylinder, there is no fuel left to slosh around in the manifold, which is where the old saying of "it takes more fuel to restart compared to let it idle" comes from. That fuel that was in the manifold would settle down to low points (valves) and then go through the cylinders unburned while you're turning it over to restart. Direct injected sprays only what is needed for that stroke into the chamber. So it allows you to do things like shut off the fuel during coast down or at a red light and instantly have fuel savings - even if it's not a ton.



Let's do some mostly arbitrary math with some assumptions. My truck gets around 30mpg going 45mph, which seems to be the sweetest spot. Which means that it's consuming 1.5gal/hr at that speed. Let's assume that the engine is basically not under a lot of strain there, and the stoichiometric ratio is pretty much the same there as it is at idle. And let's also assume it is at 2000rpm there and 600rpm at idle. That means that at idle, it will be consuming .45gal/hr. This means that when you're stopped at a red light for an average time of 30 seconds, you're saving .00375 gallons of fuel. Let's also assume you get stuck at 3 red lights on your way to/from work each day... So in the course of a week, that's .1125 gallons. And 50 weeks a year, that's 5.625 gallons of fuel saved.

If you drive the average of 12,000 miles a year, and you get the 22mpg overall that the sticker shows, then you're consuming 545.5 gallons a year. So this 5.6 gallon Stop/Start savings represents a 1% fuel savings. Is it that big of a deal? Nah - but based on advertisements (and my mom, who has like 18 different credit cards and uses each one depending on if it's groceries/pharmacy/fuel/airline/hotel/etc), people will switch credit cards to get a similar level of savings on cash back rewards over their current credit card. Then again, I think the hassle of tracking down that marginal gain isn't worth the complexity of having specialized credit cards, and just stick with a decent overall card - so you could make the same argument here - the 1% fuel savings isn't worth the hassle of dealing with stop/start.

 

[Mokume]

That's the great thing about direct injection compared to port injected or worse - carbureted, the fuel gain is instantaneous. Since the fuel is injected directly into the cylinder, there is no fuel left to slosh around in the manifold, which is where the old saying of "it takes more fuel to restart compared to let it idle" comes from. That fuel that was in the manifold would settle down to low points (valves) and then go through the cylinders unburned while you're turning it over to restart. Direct injected sprays only what is needed for that stroke into the chamber. So it allows you to do things like shut off the fuel during coast down or at a red light and instantly have fuel savings - even if it's not a ton.



Let's do some mostly arbitrary math with some assumptions. My truck gets around 30mpg going 45mph, which seems to be the sweetest spot. Which means that it's consuming 1.5gal/hr at that speed. Let's assume that the engine is basically not under a lot of strain there, and the stoichiometric ratio is pretty much the same there as it is at idle. And let's also assume it is at 2000rpm there and 600rpm at idle. That means that at idle, it will be consuming .45gal/hr. This means that when you're stopped at a red light for an average time of 30 seconds, you're saving .00375 gallons of fuel. Let's also assume you get stuck at 3 red lights on your way to/from work each day... So in the course of a week, that's .1125 gallons. And 50 weeks a year, that's 5.625 gallons of fuel saved.

If you drive the average of 12,000 miles a year, and you get the 22mpg overall that the sticker shows, then you're consuming 545.5 gallons a year. So this 5.6 gallon Stop/Start savings represents a 1% fuel savings. Is it that big of a deal? Nah - but based on advertisements (and my mom, who has like 18 different credit cards and uses each one depending on if it's groceries/pharmacy/fuel/airline/hotel/etc), people will switch credit cards to get a similar level of savings on cash back rewards over their current credit card. Then again, I think the hassle of tracking down that marginal gain isn't worth the complexity of having specialized credit cards, and just stick with a decent overall card - so you could make the same argument here - the 1% fuel savings isn't worth the hassle of dealing with stop/start.

 

[Deleted member 1634]

That's the great thing about direct injection compared to port injected or worse - carbureted, the fuel gain is instantaneous. Since the fuel is injected directly into the cylinder, there is no fuel left to slosh around in the manifold, which is where the old saying of "it takes more fuel to restart compared to let it idle" comes from. That fuel that was in the manifold would settle down to low points (valves) and then go through the cylinders unburned while you're turning it over to restart. Direct injected sprays only what is needed for that stroke into the chamber. So it allows you to do things like shut off the fuel during coast down or at a red light and instantly have fuel savings - even if it's not a ton.



Let's do some mostly arbitrary math with some assumptions. My truck gets around 30mpg going 45mph, which seems to be the sweetest spot. Which means that it's consuming 1.5gal/hr at that speed. Let's assume that the engine is basically not under a lot of strain there, and the stoichiometric ratio is pretty much the same there as it is at idle. And let's also assume it is at 2000rpm there and 600rpm at idle. That means that at idle, it will be consuming .45gal/hr. This means that when you're stopped at a red light for an average time of 30 seconds, you're saving .00375 gallons of fuel. Let's also assume you get stuck at 3 red lights on your way to/from work each day... So in the course of a week, that's .1125 gallons. And 50 weeks a year, that's 5.625 gallons of fuel saved.

If you drive the average of 12,000 miles a year, and you get the 22mpg overall that the sticker shows, then you're consuming 545.5 gallons a year. So this 5.6 gallon Stop/Start savings represents a 1% fuel savings. Is it that big of a deal? Nah - but based on advertisements (and my mom, who has like 18 different credit cards and uses each one depending on if it's groceries/pharmacy/fuel/airline/hotel/etc), people will switch credit cards to get a similar level of savings on cash back rewards over their current credit card. Then again, I think the hassle of tracking down that marginal gain isn't worth the complexity of having specialized credit cards, and just stick with a decent overall card - so you could make the same argument here - the 1% fuel savings isn't worth the hassle of dealing with stop/start.

That's only if you consider start/stop to be a hassle. Personally, I don't. Sure it's maybe only 1%. But it's a free 1%. Those turning off start/stop, either by pushing the button every time or buying something to stop it, are essentially wasting time and/or money to NOT save that 1%. Obviously they're trading that 1% of savings for not having to deal with the perceived "hassle". And that's fine, we all have to make a choice and compromise on things to get what we want. Personally I'd rather do nothing and save fuel. Your experience may vary.

 

[AzScorpion]

That's only if you consider start/stop to be a hassle. Personally, I don't. Sure it's maybe only 1%. But it's a free 1%. Those turning off start/stop, either by pushing the button every time or buying something to stop it, are essentially wasting time and/or money to NOT save that 1%. Obviously they're trading that 1% of savings for not having to deal with the perceived "hassle". And that's fine, we all have to make a choice and compromise on things to get what we want. Personally I'd rather do nothing and save fuel. Your experience may vary.

For me it's an annoyance so the 5.6 gal savings is not worth it for me. I have 4 quick stops just to get out of my community but if there were a delay for short stops than I might use it more. Even pulling into the garage is annoying as you come to a stop once you're inside and it shuts down,then starts up again just so you can put it into park. A simple LED light plugged in the back solves this easy enough.

 

[Hedgie]

Lost me when you said math

 

[Tangent]

For me it's an annoyance so the 5.6 gal savings is not worth it for me. I have 4 quick stops just to get out of my community but if there were a delay for short stops than I might use it more. Even pulling into the garage is annoying as you come to a stop once you're inside and it shuts down,then starts up again just so you can put it into park. A simple LED light plugged in the back solves this easy enough.

The parking thing drives me nuts! Pull into driveway, stop, engine shuts off, put it in park, engine starts, turn off engine. There's gotta be a better way, like turning off the key and then putting it in park?

That and the half second stop starts are what drive me batty. I'm all for saving fuel down to the point where I'm paranoid about putting rock sliders on because they'd add 120lbs, and that's a 1-2% decrease according to the EPA. But those two things are truly annoying, don't know how much you can do about the half second stop/starts though other than thinking ahead and hitting the button.

Back to the subject title, I've found myself really impressed/enamored with the wiper controls the past week or so. The pass-through switch for interval is such a clever little piece of design.

 

[Traneman]

The parking thing drives me nuts! Pull into driveway, stop, engine shuts off, put it in park, engine starts, turn off engine. There's gotta be a better way, like turning off the key and then putting it in park?

Guess I learned to put it into park quicker when I pull into the driveway/garage? You can turn it off before putting it into park. I've done that at times.

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