ENGINE STUDDER

[ch47dmechanic]

Why not just go after them under Florida Lemon Law? Force Ford to deal with it instead of asking them for a buy back.

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[rushranger2020]

Why not just go after them under Florida Lemon Law? Force Ford to deal with it instead of asking them for a buy back.

When the Ford specialist told me on July 24th I was denied I asked why he said Lemon Law does not apply in this case.

 

[ch47dmechanic]

When the Ford specialist told me on July 24th I was denied I asked why he said Lemon Law does not apply in this case.

I'm no lawyer, but literally every website by legit law firms that represent Lemon Law cases in Florida that I could find on Google within a few minutes state otherwise. Not only that, in no way does the vehicle manufacture get to decide what is and isn't a legitimate Lemon Law case. They're likely just trying to dissuade you from filing the case.

 

[rushranger2020]

I'm no lawyer, but literally every website by legit law firms that represent Lemon Law cases in Florida that I could find on Google within a few minutes state otherwise. Not only that, in no way does the vehicle manufacture get to decide what is and isn't a legitimate Lemon Law case. They're likely just trying to dissuade you from filing the case.

Thanks for the information I had planned to persue this more. I've been working with an Attorney on a real estate issue and next time I see him I'm going to talk to him about this.

 

[ChiefQM]

I opened a case with Ford and they have escalated it, I am getting a different dealership. Fingers crossed, will keep you posted.

I had a call from someone at Ford yesterday, she was annoyed that the vehicle was not at a dealer service department already. I told her that after the last dealer service experience, and because the CSR at Ford did not mention that it needed to be in a shop for Ford to intervene, I was waiting to hear from them. I have the Ranger booked in at a different dealership (Ferman Ford of Clearwater) tomorrow morning. Someone in the service dept in charge, I gather, called me and I explained the issue. I was careful not to lead them in any direction, saying clearly that I did not know the source of the issue, but I did describe the issue's symptoms. I gave him the case number. I am not sure how this remote intervention is going to happen, but I intend to take the service manager (and the tech, if neccessary) on a drive so that they know what the issue is. Updates as they come.

 

[Toms19]

Mine just started doing this last week. It has 45,000 miles now.

 

[ChiefQM]

I had a call from someone at Ford yesterday, she was annoyed that the vehicle was not at a dealer service department already. I told her that after the last dealer service experience, and because the CSR at Ford did not mention that it needed to be in a shop for Ford to intervene, I was waiting to hear from them. I have the Ranger booked in at a different dealership (Ferman Ford of Clearwater) tomorrow morning. Someone in the service dept in charge, I gather, called me and I explained the issue. I was careful not to lead them in any direction, saying clearly that I did not know the source of the issue, but I did describe the issue's symptoms. I gave him the case number. I am not sure how this remote intervention is going to happen, but I intend to take the service manager (and the tech, if neccessary) on a drive so that they know what the issue is. Updates as they come.

I just returned from Ferman Ford. A service tech (he had clean hands so suspect he is a shop foreman) drove the vehicle and acknowledged the issue. He likened it to the lugging that a manual transmission being driven in a high gear at low rpm would experience. I spent 2 hours waiting while they diagnosed the issue. The same tech pulled an apples to apples 2020 FX4 Ranger and had me drive it. It had the same issue. He stated that Ford considers this behavior normal for this vehicle and opined that perhaps if Ford has enough complaints, they will look at the issue.

I cannot fathom any design engineer allowing a vehicle with this drivetrain issue to ever hit the street. I told the dealer assistant service manager that I was aware that I was now beating my head against the wall for something that was not going to be fixed. I was not ugly with him, as he was willing to look at the problem. But I also told him that with regards to Ford, I was not going to go away quietly.

Anybody who has this issue, I would urge you to open a case with Ford to complain about it.

 

[quirkybar8]

I just returned from Ferman Ford. A service tech (he had clean hands so suspect he is a shop foreman) drove the vehicle and acknowledged the issue. He likened it to the lugging that a manual transmission being driven in a high gear at low rpm would experience. I spent 2 hours waiting while they diagnosed the issue. The same tech pulled an apples to apples 2020 FX4 Ranger and had me drive it. It had the same issue. He stated that Ford considers this behavior normal for this vehicle and opined that perhaps if Ford has enough complaints, they will look at the issue.

I cannot fathom any design engineer allowing a vehicle with this drivetrain issue to ever hit the street. I told the dealer assistant service manager that I was aware that I was now beating my head against the wall for something that was not going to be fixed. I was not ugly with him, as he was willing to look at the problem. But I also told him that with regards to Ford, I was not going to go away quietly.

Anybody who has this issue, I would urge you to open a case with Ford to complain about it.

My truck has had a mild shudder on take-off (and maybe thru 3rd gear with mild throttle input) since the test drive. I accepted it that way. When being interviewed by the young service writer on behalf of the tech looking at my "making oil" issue, I mentioned it to her. She said basically "oh yeah, that's a characteristic of the 10R80". OK.

I suppose I can add my voice, but seems like spitting into a headwind. If you want to know how good Ford can be with shudder, try driving a Focus with DPS6 trans on a hot day for an hour or so. Just apply Fixodent liberally ahead of time. Looking at what came of that class action case is a study in how a company driven by profit can shit on their customers without batting an eye. I'd guess that the emails were leaked by engineers who for years had been haunted by it and were close to retirement.

 

[rushranger2020]

My truck has had a mild shudder on take-off (and maybe thru 3rd gear with mild throttle input) since the test drive. I accepted it that way. When being interviewed by the young service writer on behalf of the tech looking at my "making oil" issue, I mentioned it to her. She said basically "oh yeah, that's a characteristic of the 10R80". OK.

I suppose I can add my voice, but seems like spitting into a headwind. If you want to know how good Ford can be with shudder, try driving a Focus with DPS6 trans on a hot day for an hour or so. Just apply Fixodent liberally ahead of time. Looking at what came of that class action case is a study in how a company driven by profit can shit on their customers without batting an eye. I'd guess that the emails were leaked by engineers who for years had been haunted by it and were close to retirement.

Chi

My truck has had a mild shudder on take-off (and maybe thru 3rd gear with mild throttle input) since the test drive. I accepted it that way. When being interviewed by the young service writer on behalf of the tech looking at my "making oil" issue, I mentioned it to her. She said basically "oh yeah, that's a characteristic of the 10R80". OK.

I suppose I can add my voice, but seems like spitting into a headwind. If you want to know how good Ford can be with shudder, try driving a Focus with DPS6 trans on a hot day for an hour or so. Just apply Fixodent liberally ahead of time. Looking at what came of that class action case is a study in how a company driven by profit can shit on their customers without batting an eye. I'd guess that the emails were leaked by engineers who for years had been haunted by it and were close to retirement.

Chief , I originally took mine to Ferman Ford also but they told me unable to verify could not duplicate told me could be the type of all terrain Hankook tires I'm feeling!
At least they told you Ford admits it's normal for Rangers. The other dealership offered to let me drive one that also does it. I declined because I had driven two others before buying mine that did not do it and a friend has one that doesn't so driving one that does doesn't fix mine or make me feel better.
Thanks quirky for info. I think the more people who mention they have this issue will help some with their case plus keep others from buying one till the problem is resolved.

 

[Toms19]

I cant drive mine under 45 mph because it bucks or hesitates. this is driving me nuts. was supposed to bring it to the dealer monday but the appointment was canceled because we have 2 storms coming to Louisiana.

 

[Toms19]

Well the dealership had it for a week and still couldn't figure it out

 

[kieefer]

I noticed something recently after all this rain.
Prior to floods in my area my truck ran great. I got a 93 performance tune from Unleashed and it really smoothed out the shifting.

I’ve been running high-test and topped off a half tank the other day after the first rains.
Now I’ve got my 2000 rpm stubble back.
I really suspect water in the tank either getting pass the gas fill hole or from the station. (Same station every fill up).

Or is it possible a sensor could be faulty because I usually notice it in cold weather or damp weather?

Don’t know but it’s frustrating.

 

[Nathan289]

I noticed something recently after all this rain.
Prior to floods in my area my truck ran great. I got a 93 performance tune from Unleashed and it really smoothed out the shifting.

I’ve been running high-test and topped off a half tank the other day after the first rains.
Now I’ve got my 2000 rpm stubble back.
I really suspect water in the tank either getting pass the gas fill hole or from the station. (Same station every fill up).

Or is it possible a sensor could be faulty because I usually notice it in cold weather or damp weather?

Don’t know but it’s frustrating.

If you live in a high humidity area there has been known to be a condensation issue with the intercooler..

The mustang and focus guys have a fix for it..

Might want to check into that..

 

[kieefer]

This is from Elvis 66 @ https://www.mustangecoboost.net/threads/loss-of-power.2017/

Many Ford F-150 pickups with EcoBoost have a condition where the vehicle shudders or stalls during normal use. In the most severe of cases, the truck will actually go into "limp mode" causing the engine to lose all power. This issue seems to be primarily from humid states like Texas and Florida.

Ford has a growing issue here with more and more owners encountering this problem and they say they are working on a solution.

What's Causing the Problem
After doing research by talking with Ford employees, auto technicians and reading through various forums, the cause seems to be the Charge Air Cooler (CAC).

This CAC cooler cools the intake air as it goes through the turbocharger. This cooled air then travels into the engine. The problem seems to be that the CAC is working too well and is causing condensation to build up inside the air intake tube.

Here's the sequence of events.

1. Air is drawn through the CAC and moisture collects inside the tubing. Most often this happens when traveling down the interstate when air flow into the motor is relatively slow.
2. Sudden acceleration by the driver, changes the intake air flow rate through the CAC which causes the engine to pull in more air. With the moisture sitting in the intake tube, the engine is acting like a vaccum sucking up all this water.
3. Depending on the amount of water that is sucked up causing the vehicle to have different responses. A small amount causes shuddering. A large amount causes the truck to go into limp mode to protect it from damage.

What does this have to do with humid areas? Those drivers live in an area where the dew point is equal to the ambient temperature for much of the time. This means condensation occurs more often causing more issues.

The Fix
While there are no doubt quick fixes on the internet, Ford is planning on issuing a technical service bulletin soon to address the issue. They are currently working on redesigning the CAC to handle times of excess moisture. Be on the look out for this TSB.

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