Ford Pass Mileage, Odometer don't match

[Stevedbvik1]

I can not find that link, but both my wife and I read and commented to each other about the article. I am still digging through my mail and instant message digest trying to locate it. It may take me some time... but in the meantime here are two different scenarios where Tesla remotely degraded the batteries without owner approval or notification.

It does not matter WHY they did it. The point is THAT they did it. They have the capability to do it and they took advantage of that capability without owner consent or knowledge.

Tesla is again being sued for limiting its cars’ battery capacity through software update

“My 2014 Model S 85 was getting Rated Range of 247 miles until May 13. Now after the next update, it continued to drop to now 217 miles. This is an 11% drop in 5 weeks.”

When car owners purchase their vehicles, they reasonably expect that unforeseen events — like weather, accidents, or flat tires — may impact the performance of their vehicles and lead to costly repairs. But no reasonable consumer would expect that the car manufacturer itself, through an automated system, would deliberately and significantly interfere with the car’s performance through software updates that reduce the operating capacity of the vehicles.

Tesla Remotely Disabled 80 Miles Of Range From Customer’s Car Demanding $4,500, Backtracks When The Web Finds Out

I would advise you read them before they are scrubbed from the internet. Search engine companies have a habit of getting rid of anything that they arbitrarily consider, for whatever reason, incorrect or inconvenient.

If you find it let me know. As for the 80 miles of range loss story. The car was built as a 60kwh battery capacity. The original owner at some point had a 90kwh battery installed under warranty. Two owners later it gets a software update that sees it’s 60kwh car and adjusts it accordingly. The standard rate to upgrade to 90kwh is $4500. So that’s why the response from Tesla. The owner and dealer didn’t know the 90kwh upgrade had been done. Tesla after finding out the details made it right with the customer. Doesn’t seem to be some nefarious scheme as portrayed. Great click bait though. So really no difference from someone buying a used ranger with a tune and not knowing it and then having work done that re flashes it and looses the tune.

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[AzScorpion]

If you find it let me know. As for the 80 miles of range loss story. The car was built as a 60kwh battery capacity. The original owner at some point had a 90kwh battery installed under warranty. Two owners later it gets a software update that sees it’s 60kwh car and adjusts it accordingly. The standard rate to upgrade to 90kwh is $4500. So that’s why the response from Tesla. The owner and dealer didn’t know the 90kwh upgrade had been done. Tesla after finding out the details made it right with the customer. Doesn’t seem to be some nefarious scheme as portrayed. Great click bait though. So really no difference from someone buying a used ranger with a tune and not knowing it and then having work done that re flashes it and looses the tune.

lol I just read it and it was so easy to see why they were going to charge him. And in the end Tesla did the right thing! Like I said there's WAY to many click bait conspiracy articles out there. You have to read the whole article to see the real truth!

 

[TJC]

If you find it let me know. As for the 80 miles of range loss story. The car was built as a 60kwh battery capacity. The original owner at some point had a 90kwh battery installed under warranty. Two owners later it gets a software update that sees it’s 60kwh car and adjusts it accordingly. The standard rate to upgrade to 90kwh is $4500. So that’s why the response from Tesla. The owner and dealer didn’t know the 90kwh upgrade had been done. Tesla after finding out the details made it right with the customer. Doesn’t seem to be some nefarious scheme as portrayed. Great click bait though. So really no difference from someone buying a used ranger with a tune and not knowing it and then having work done that re flashes it and looses the tune.

I'll repeat myself. It doesn't matter WHY they did it, It matters that they have the ability to do it and did it without customer consent or approval.

 

[TJC]

If you find it let me know. As for the 80 miles of range loss story. The car was built as a 60kwh battery capacity. The original owner at some point had a 90kwh battery installed under warranty. Two owners later it gets a software update that sees it’s 60kwh car and adjusts it accordingly. The standard rate to upgrade to 90kwh is $4500. So that’s why the response from Tesla. The owner and dealer didn’t know the 90kwh upgrade had been done. Tesla after finding out the details made it right with the customer. Doesn’t seem to be some nefarious scheme as portrayed. Great click bait though. So really no difference from someone buying a used ranger with a tune and not knowing it and then having work done that re flashes it and looses the tune.

OK let's play this out with an ICE engine auto.

You take you auto into the dealer and they install a 30 gallon gas tank instead of the 20 gallon tank that is defective. They made a mistake. You drive the car for several years and sell it. That person drives the car for several years and sells it to a 3rd person. The 3rd person takes the car in for unrelated service and the dealers sees the 30 gallon tank option on your car, so they install a balloon in your tank to fill the 10 gallon space so you only have a 20 gallon tank.. (or simply replace the tank with a 20 gallon one).

And they do this without your knowledge and consent. You come out, drive your car and notice your driving range has dropped by 33%.

You go back to the dealer complaining that your driving range has dropped and the car only holds 20 gallons of fuel. They tell you so sad too bad, this model didn't come with that option and if you want it, it's going to cost you $4500 for us to pop the balloon and pull it out the tank (3 minutes work effort).

In real life with the Tesla, they can simply update a profile in seconds to disable or enable any "feature".

If you turn it on are you stealing from Tesla? and Does Tesla have the right to turn off the feature.

If this is the case, then you DO NOT OWN the car. Tesla does. The title means nothing.

 

[AzScorpion]

It's called technology and there's no stopping it! With its benefits there's bound to be some negatives too but in this case I see nothing wrong. It was a mistake that was never caught and corrected and Tesla stepped in and did the right thing. Being able to do this remotely is a convenience because the owner (whether this guy or the next) never has to waste time going to the dealer for updates. Today everyone wants things done fast, cheap and easy so you'd better get use to it because it's here to stay unless you're going to go back and drive something pre '70's.

Plus with all the tech in our ICE vehicles do you not think they can't control your vehicle now, like your electronic fuel pump? On click and I'm sure they can (or will soon be able) to disable your vehicle for any number of reasons like non payment of your loan. With the onboard modem and wifi it's more than easy to do now.

 

[Stevedbvik1]

OK let's play this out with an ICE engine auto.

You take you auto into the dealer and they install a 30 gallon gas tank instead of the 20 gallon tank that is defective. They made a mistake. You drive the car for several years and sell it. That person drives the car for several years and sells it to a 3rd person. The 3rd person takes the car in for unrelated service and the dealers sees the 30 gallon tank option on your car, so they install a balloon in your tank to fill the 10 gallon space so you only have a 20 gallon tank.. (or simply replace the tank with a 20 gallon one).

And they do this without your knowledge and consent. You come out, drive your car and notice your driving range has dropped by 33%.

You go back to the dealer complaining that your driving range has dropped and the car only holds 20 gallons of fuel. They tell you so sad too bad, this model didn't come with that option and if you want it, it's going to cost you $4500 for us to pop the balloon and pull it out the tank (3 minutes work effort).

In real life with the Tesla, they can simply update a profile in seconds to disable or enable any "feature".

If you turn it on are you stealing from Tesla? and Does Tesla have the right to turn off the feature.

If this is the case, then you DO NOT OWN the car. Tesla does. The title means nothing.

The problem with your scenario is that Tesla did correct the issue. You seem to be stuck on that point. I’m sure if you buy a Tesla that there’s agreements that you sign and by doing so you agree to their conditions. If buy a used one then you better do your homework. Or don’t buy one, it’s your choice.

 

[TJC]

The problem with your scenario is that Tesla did correct the issue. You seem to be stuck on that point. I’m sure if you buy a Tesla that there’s agreements that you sign and by doing so you agree to their conditions. If buy a used one then you better do your homework. Or don’t buy one, it’s your choice.

OWN - to have or hold as property ossess

You either own something or you do not.

Owning something implies it is yours to do with as you wish.

Tesla didn't have the right to "Correct anything". It wasn't theirs to correct. They sold it, and it was sold 2 more times to other "pwners".

Honestly, the only point I am stuck on is that you do not control the auto that you are driving. And at any moment in time, a 3rd party can control most any aspect of the auto that you "own". Whether they will is immaterial, they have that ability.

If they (a government, corporation, or even an individual) has the technical power and can do something, they will do it. It is inevitable. Power does that to the best of us.

 

[Stevedbvik1]

I don't think you are buying one. Owning something implies it is yours to do with as you wish.

Tesla didn't have the right to "Correct anything". It wasn't theirs to correct. They sold it, and it was sold 2x more to other "pwners".

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I’m done here ?‍

 

[subquark]

I'll repeat myself. It doesn't matter WHY they did it, It matters that they have the ability to do it and did it without customer consent or approval.

I'm with you on this part. I don't like the idea that my car can be remotely messed with. By the manufacturer, hackers, or my 13 year-old neighbor mad at me for not paying him to mow my lawn.

Now I've seen ICE cars get shut down that are stolen and have OnStar - and that's neat an all.

But, at the end of the day, I wish my car could be off-grid like my old FJ40.

However, no modern car is like an old one. For better or for worse.

I'd love Soupie to be simple enough for me to work on. But the tech, some of it, is good. Makes it run better and longer (ignore the tranny stuff). I suppose if I get in a wreck and am unconscious, it's good that the truck locks the wheels and I don't roll down into a river and that it can call 911.
And I like remote starting.

Do I need any of that?

Nope, but there are times when I wish it didn't know more about me than I know about myself!

My saving grace is that I'm pretty average, no one's likely to ever do anything nefarious to me.

IMO, conquering the world doesn't need to take away my guns or try to lock me up. Jeff Bezos, Apple, Google, and Microsoft have already enslaved me.

The worst thing is that I happily pay Jeff Bezos to mine my data and exploit it to his personal gain.

My 2 cents ...

from Shaw's speech in NYC on April 11th, 1933

 

[got3fords]

Ok, so the 1 mile discrepancy between Ford Pass and the dash is persistent. Weird!

 

[airline tech]

Ford Pass Rounds Up - example 10,500.3
Actual = 10,501 in Ford Pass

 

[got3fords]

Ford Pass Rounds Up - example 10,500.3
Actual = 10,501 in Ford Pass

But the dash doesn't show tenths either. So does the dash display wait until after 10,500.9 to display 10,501? While the app is already showing that after 10,500.1?

 

[airline tech]

But the dash doesn't show tenths either. So does the dash display wait until after 10,500.9 to display 10,501? While the app is already showing that after 10,500.1?

The Lariat (Displays Tenths) - But that is irrelevant as I parked the truck @ (17,789.0) and Ford Pass shows 17,790 - so you are 100% correct - it is exactly 1-Mile off, never really paid that much attention to it as I thought it was rounding up.

 

[got3fords]

The Lariat (Displays Tenths) - But that is irrelevant as I parked the truck @ (17,789.0) and Ford Pass shows 17,790 - so you are 100% correct - it is exactly 1-Mile off, never really paid that much attention to it as I thought it was rounding up.

Thanks for confirming I am not nuts. Well at least on this particular issue ?. Anyhoo, I wonder why the discrepancy.

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