US official warns of risks posed by heavy electric vehicles

[IdahoRanger]

Won't be getting an EV in our house as my wife worries about her ICD.

Only study I can find so far seems to point that the biggest issue is charging not driving in them.

https://content.iospress.com/articles/technology-and-health-care/thc191891

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[Bsthroop]

Being serious heavier vehicles do place more strain on highway infrastructure - that include roads themselves, faster wear. Some states already base registration on vehicle weight so more states may adopt that in the future.

Now being only partly serious a state like CA will likely pile on more gas taxes so ICE drivers pay for that extra wear and tear on the road caused by EVs. That is my prediction of the day.

Currently EV's don't pay any Highway tax so the ice are paying their way already. You can bet the tax will need to continue rising if more EV's take to the road. At some point that will need to change, but will need to be based on mileage since it is hard to control the charging source.

 

[Bashell]

I'm (not that) shocked about all of the unintended consequences that arise when governments look to force a solution to a problem. The government has been fighting themselves for ages on fuel economy vs safety though.

"Why can a car from the 1960's get 25 MPG but modern autos are struggling to do much better?" Umm... maybe because cars in the 1960's weighed half as much because they didn't need to meet increasingly rigid safety standards?

You know they're gonna spin the yarn the other way though: "In multi-vehicle accidents, EVs were much safer than their ICE counterparts (because the 3 ton vehicle split the 1.5 ton vehicle in half). Yet another reason to adopt EVs!"

 

[Fordup]

End of life will be a giant problem. With ICE vehicles you just grind them up and separate the materials to be recycled. Lithium batteries are a costly nightmare to deal with. Seems like EV should have a 10k recycling fee to add to the purchase price because infrastructure must be built to handle the volume of hazardous waste.

 

[JohnnyO]

(JohnnyO dons tinfoil hat)

Now they're saying gas stoves are bad for your health. I don't believe it for a second.
My take is they are pushing for everything to be electric because it'll be easier for the government to shut off if you're misbehaving.

(Tinfoil hat off)

 

[Trustable]

Yup, tires will probably last 30% less than ICE because of the extra weight to wear ratio. Then comes fires. Can you imagine a parking garage full of EV’s catching on fire. Sprinkler systems are only going to make tons of steam. No way you’re putting that one out.

Or floods and these things are under water. Get close enough you become an electric eel ?

Iirc there was a Tesla fire in cali and two pump trucks emptied all their water without a dent in the fire. https://www.ctif.org/news/150-000-liters-water-needed-put-out-fire-electric-car

 

[Bsthroop]

Iirc there was a Tesla fire in cali and two pump trucks emptied all their water without a dent in the fire. https://www.ctif.org/news/150-000-liters-water-needed-put-out-fire-electric-car

Fire trucks will need to be type rated like fire extinguishers so they can respond to the correct type of fire.

 

[Trustable]

I’d love to have a study on tire wear on evs vs ice. I strongly dislike evs for the reason they have become politically a pawn, along with the fact that they are nowhere near ready for wide scale use. ( including the foil hat stuff and the myriad of other issues)With tires specifically on evs having instant torque I imagine they last 3/4 as long on the same tire on an ice vehicle.

 

[Trustable]

Fire trucks will need to be type rated like fire extinguishers so they can respond to the correct type of fire.

This seems to be the solution for now, but I dont think most of the fire stations have one

 

[Jon S.]

I guess I never thought much about the weight difference when in an accident with a lighter vehicle. The F-150 Lightning EV pickup is 2,000 to 3,000 pounds heavier than the same model’s combustion version. The Mustang Mach E electric SUV and the Volvo XC40 EV, she said, are roughly 33% heavier than their gasoline counterparts. Looks like something else they (you know who) forgot to think about before pushing these out.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-official-warns-risks-posed-200630606.html

They are heavy! So we don’t have the infrastructure to support them, disposing of them is a bitch, replacement costs can be a 1/3rd of the original MSRP, fire departments struggle to put the fires out and very hazardous to them, and range still sucks, they won’t charge in the winter if too cold, they don’t like extreme heat and the best thing, where to people think the electricity comes from? Unless it’s hydro, it’s mainly a fossil fuel….I just don’t get it. Plus to mine lithium is outrageous in cost and health to workers mining it. I can see maybe PHEV vehicles. Even Toyota who basically invented the PHEV, won’t commit to total EV. (Yes, GM probably had the first but could not sell any lol)….I better watch, they may come for my guns & stove……

 

[AzScorpion]

They are heavy! So we don’t have the infrastructure to support them, disposing of them is a bitch, replacement costs can be a 1/3rd of the original MSRP, fire departments struggle to put the fires out and very hazardous to them, and range still sucks, they won’t charge in the winter if too cold, they don’t like extreme heat and the best thing, where to people think the electricity comes from? Unless it’s hydro, it’s mainly a fossil fuel….I just don’t get it. Plus to mine lithium is outrageous in cost and health to workers mining it. I can see maybe PHEV vehicles. Even Toyota who basically invented the PHEV, won’t commit to total EV. (Yes, GM probably had the first but could not sell any lol)….I better watch, they may come for guns & stove……

PHEV is by far the best choice right now. Why not start with them then faze in the EV's slowly instead of going full bore? There's no way we can afford to build all new infrastructure across the whole country when we're already 32 TRILLION in debt!

 

[Jon S.]

PHEV is by far the best choice right now. Why not start with them then faze in the EV's slowly instead of going full bore? There's no way we can afford to build all new infrastructure across the whole country when we're already 32 TRILLION in debt!

Ahmen!

 

[Jon S.]

Ahmen!

Yeah major auto manufacturers are all stating that they will be “totally electric by 20?!” Let see how many will survive 10 years after the switch….oh wait, they will just ask for a bailout then….

 

[Fordup]

PHEV is by far the best choice right now. Why not start with them then faze in the EV's slowly instead of going full bore? There's no way we can afford to build all new infrastructure across the whole country when we're already 32 TRILLION in debt!

This was 5 min ago.

 

[Bob902]

PHEV is by far the best choice right now. Why not start with them then faze in the EV's slowly instead of going full bore? There's no way we can afford to build all new infrastructure across the whole country when we're already 32 TRILLION in debt!

Money means nothing to politicians. After all, it's your money they are spending. But, I do agree that hybrids are a much better solution.

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