Tesla quality lacking

[Langwilliams]

Many recalls result from bad parts from a supplier. How many different brands recalled cars for airbags because they came from the same supplier. Warranty visits is a bigger indication of problems with build quality. Tesla was considered one of the better in new car quality until they got ambitious an tried to build quantity similar to the big boys. My nephews love their Tesla's but they work from home an don't try to do interstate travel in them.

I read an article today in the wall street journal about the supply of the materials needed for EV batteries. They say we're going to be in a situation being dependent on China for the battery materials like we were dependent on the Middle East for oil. We eventually caught up in oil production but it took decades an the same will happen with EV batteries.

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[Jrel209]

So it’s up to the hard working consumer to keep shelling out the $$ until Tesla can get better?

What Suspension issues are you referring to on the Bronco?

We are already shelling out hard earned money for ford and many continue to do so…... There is no guarantee with any vehicle unfortunately. Even though i love my ranger lets not pretend ford has the best track record for ‘quality.’

Also just do a basic search, the bronco suspension issue is becoming well known among actual off-roaders. I dont have a bronco, nor am I a mechanic so i cant properly describe it.

 

[AdamHarris]

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Guess you haven't heard of the Pigeon Edition?

Yes of course I have with how much y’all LOVE to plaster it on here constantly lol.
Machinery breaking under extreme use utilizing unintended untested modifications on board is NOT a quality issue. regardless of the brand a person Always has to do thousands on upgrades for a vehicle to survive rock crawling and you know it.

Mach-e is already showing Tesla how a proper ev should be built.

 

[CB750F]

A friend bought an S. It was returned to the garage twice before they got to 500km!
Since then, it's performed flawless.
I lost my brakes because of a badly installed brake hose, so....
It's performed flawless since also.
I like the idea of an EV, but where are you getting the electricity from? Here in Quebec
we have bountiful hydro. The only thing is, flood land, move lots of earth, make cement
on & on, that's a lot of carbon. Solar power & wind too, what's the cost in fossil fuels?
Here's my NIMBY, lol, put a generating complex in pristine wildness to save pollution
in big cities. The oil companies propaganda worked really well on me, they got me
to doubt green energy.

 

[puckdodger]

In response to the power grid concerns of electric vehicles Phil mentions, I have the same issue at my condo in BC.
They wont allow electric vehicles to charge in the complex. neither in the underground or outside if there are any available outlets.

They claim the electrical capacity if the grid isn't there.
but, when you talk to anyone who owns an electric vehicle...mostly Tesla owners, they claim it takes 12 cents of electricity to fully charge their car.

Someones lying and I am not sure which.

because one would think 12 cents is a lot less than what it takes to run my stove, and at dinner time, all 40 units in my building might be burning up a pizza at the exact same time....the grids not failing us then. Lets not talk summer time when all 40 units have the AC on max and we are still burning pizzas.

When I had my Volt, It would cost about $1.30, including tax, to fully charge the battery overnight taking about 12 Kw/h @ 3.3 amps draw. I think it was about 1500 watts. So yeah, looks like the Tesla owners are lying to you. And since landlords are generally scumbags who only tell a lie when they move their lips they are likely not being fully open with you. My guess is the truth, as usual, lies somewhere in the middle.

A Tesla draws about 6.6 amps at a higher wattage, for a much longer length of time when depleted. If everyone is burning their pizza AND blasting the A/C, AND charging their Teslas at the same time there could be a potential for overload.

 

[McLeadslinger]

Tree huggers ignore the fact that fossil fuels are needed to produce EV’s and the making batteries is bad for the environment.

But, they're saving the earth.

Right?!

 

[McLeadslinger]

Car manufacturers are royally screwing consumers by constant price hikes and the non stop price inflation of “new technologies”. There is no reason that EV’s can’t be 100% reliable but manufacturers insist on stuffing technologies into cars that are not reliable and most people don’t give a damn about.

So it’s up to the hard working consumer to keep shelling out the $$ until Tesla can get better?

What Suspension issues are you referring to on the Bronco?

 

[Blmpkn]

?‍ really tho

 

[gwhalin]

?‍ really tho

No kids also means more money to spend on mods for my truck. ?

 

[DeathRanger]

The average person drives 40 miles a day. Average Tesla uses about 250Wh/mile.
250Wh/mile x 40 miles = 10kWh for an average day drive.

My Charging stats
80kWh battery x .08/kwh = $6.40 for a full charge or about 250-300 miles depending on weather
$6.40 x 30 days adds about $192 in charging costs in a month

 

[Blmpkn]

No kids also means more money to spend on mods for my truck. ?

It's a win-win! Lol.

 

[Megawatt]

Solar ?

My natural gas power plant is surrounded by hundreds of acres of the desert covered with solar panels in Nevada and in California (Primm
Nevada is on the state line). If you really understood solar, the cost to build maintain and real power output it would be less impressive than most think.

The blue dot covers our plant completely and there is double the size of solar across the interstate in California

Solar has a purpose but it’s not the answer people think it is today or even for the next ten years.

 

[CATX]

To me, electric cars have their place and make sense for a lot of people. Not as a primary car but as a second or third vehicle. Once manufacturers get the kinks worked out (and tesla certainly has kinks- look at the pace of its growth), then it’s going to make sense for most people to have one electric car. Right now, I agree that “environmentalism” and the tech are keeping Tesla afloat but that is how they are quickly scaling a product that has so many issues with quality. It’s also an American product and most people that own Teslas would otherwise never own an American car. That in itself is a good thing to me.

 

[Langwilliams]

In response to the power grid concerns of electric vehicles Phil mentions, I have the same issue at my condo in BC.
They wont allow electric vehicles to charge in the complex. neither in the underground or outside if there are any available outlets.


My condo complex was built in the 70's an there isn't any "surplus" capacity to add charging outlets. The breaker pops half the time when I fill my air compressor. My brother is a ford retiree an his fellow retiree buddy was looking at a Mach E an really liked it. Someone at the dealership told him he should have a new separate service installed in his garage for the rapid charger.


They claim the electrical capacity if the grid isn't there.
but, when you talk to anyone who owns an electric vehicle...mostly Tesla owners, they claim it takes 12 cents of electricity to fully charge their car.

When I had my Volt, It would cost about $1.30, including tax, to fully charge the battery overnight taking about 12 Kw/h @ 3.3 amps draw. I think it was about 1500 watts. So yeah, looks like the Tesla owners are lying to you. And since landlords are generally scumbags who only tell a lie when they move their lips they are likely not being fully open with you. My guess is the truth, as usual, lies somewhere in the middle.

A Tesla draws about 6.6 amps at a higher wattage, for a much longer length of time when depleted. If everyone is burning their pizza AND blasting the A/C, AND charging their Teslas at the same time there could be a potential for overload.

Did you have a separate power line in to charge or a 240 set up? I read where a car and driver writer took a Mach E home while driving it to evaluate an plugged it into a 110 out let for 8 hours overnight. He gained a whopping 32 miles of range. So a standard 110 outlet only yields about 4 miles per hour, at least on the batter pack in that model.

I'm guessing charging the EV is like buying gas...price could vary greatly based on the areas electric costs and utility taxes. I'd like to know how much it is to charge at a rapid station too. The only rapid chargers close to me are at car dealerships an a like 2 at walmart so you can charge while shopping.

 

[TomC]

I'm guessing charging the EV is like buying gas...price could vary greatly based on the areas electric costs and utility taxes. I'd like to know how much it is to charge at a rapid station too. The only rapid chargers close to me are at car dealerships an a like 2 at walmart so you can charge while shopping.

I've got a lightning on order, and it has nothing to do w/ going green. It's about having a vehicle I can drive before/after a hurricane when in Florida (no gas), and going off grid in NC, as my dad's place is at the long end of some powerlines, and years ago Duke power decided to quit maintaining the lines. I will be going hydro-electric/generator/solar. Am I saving money or going green? no, but I won't be grid dependent either.

Plus it will fun to drive.

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