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Damn, that looks REALLY nice. Did you ante up for the all aluminum or get the poly covered aluminum one? I'm still trying to decide what cover I want to go with using a platform hitch rack.
 

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4 bike Allen locking hitch mount. $139. Works as well as the Thule I had stolen. Lesson learned. Use a locking hitch pin or get a locking rack.
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Or, my favorite option, don't live in Southeastern Michigan. haha ?
 
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Or, my favorite option, don't live in Southeastern Michigan. haha ?
Fortunately I was on my bike when it happened. Unfortunately it was stolen in Mid-Michigan during a camping trip which made it a real pain to get the bikes home.
 

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Damn, that looks REALLY nice. Did you ante up for the all aluminum or get the poly covered aluminum one? I'm still trying to decide what cover I want to go with using a platform hitch rack.
I went with the vinyl-over-aluminum laminated construction - Roll-N-Lock LG122M Locking Retractable M-Series Truck Bed Tonneau Cover for 2019-2020 Ford Ranger | Fits 5.0 Ft. Bed
 


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Fortunately I was on my bike when it happened. Unfortunately it was stolen in Mid-Michigan during a camping trip which made it a real pain to get the bikes home.
I'm always fascinated by theft stories like this. It seems like the type of person who is interested in a nice hitch mount bike rack is not the same type of person who would stoop to such low character and petty theft. I could see some low life stealing a bike, but the rack just seems like a weird choice. The world is crazy stupid place that's for sure.
 

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Well, for one, lots of racks specify NOT to use them on the back of an RV or trailer. The concern is that the increased overhang and/or increased bounce (especially when you're talking about basic trailer suspension) creates a whole lot of extra dynamic forces. I've seen a lot of severely bent cargo platforms and bike racks over the years. Here's a bike rack:

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So first, you need to be sure that the hitch on your trailer is rated for your load PLUS enough room for the extra dynamic forces (that are a lot harder to measure). Second, the rack itself needs to be rated well enough. Kuat says absolutely no to using it in this scenario. Which means I'd have to buy another rack. The only platform rack I KNOW is rated for such use is the 1upUSA HD rack, and only for 2 bikes maximum.

The other scenario at play is accessing the back of the trailer. My camper is not a "teardrop" per se. I've seen some refer to it as a "squaredrop" instead. Whatever. I have a big access door on the bcamper that swings to the side. I would ALSO need one of those swing-out adapters to access the back. Problem with that is the swingout adapters look too tall and would likely interfere with my back door, anyway. So fitment is a problem.

Then there's the matter of getting from camp to the trailhead, if it's not very close. Need to be able to move bikes easily enough with the tow vehicle. Sure, moving hitch racks around would be possible. I have fit problems with the other tow vehicle for my teardrop in that the 1upUSA side retention pin system won't work with the bumper cutout in the Subie. No problem for the truck, but I had the trailer built to order years ago. When I was pulling with the car, it was simpler by far to use roof trays when towing. My wife wasn't pleased with that (she can't lift her bike that high), but we really didn't have any other choice.

Now, with the truck, in the bed is the best solution by a long shot. It addresses every single other concern or compatibility issue I've had.
All interesting points. Ones I certainly I would've (and have) thought of and taken into account, but probably not to this extent. It's always interesting hearing about other people's experiences and how those shaped their decisions (my favorite thing about getting to know people). I've seen plenty of hitch mounted bike and cargo racks too, and never seen one bent in such a way. So this sort of thing is something that, though I obviously know could be possible, was outside the realm of realistic occurrences in my mind. But since you've seen it happen, it's now one of the first things you think about regarding this. Very interesting and thanks for sharing!

I'm not sure if my hitch rack has any sort of statement about this, and I'm not sure I have the paperwork around anymore to check. But it'd be simple enough to figure out the actual load rating myself.

The bending problem could easily be solved by strengthening the mount tube either by thickening it or a using a different shape. Or by also moving the weight (bikes) closer to the bending point. The rack in the picture was doomed from the beginning with a small straight mount tube and the bikes being attached so far back. Mine has the bikes much closer and a tube shape which counteracts this type of bending motion. Not fool proof obviously, and could still fail in this matter, but would require more force. That being said, the dynamic forces are hard to quantify for sure (not impossible but would take some time and thought), so it's not something I'd try willy-nilly and "see what happens". haha

As for accessing the back of the trailer and/or moving it out of the way. That's not really a concern for me. Our trailer does also have a rear hatch which would need to be accessed once at the site. But I'd be perfectly fine with unloading the bikes once camp was setup. I'd have to do that everytime when I used it on my Subaru anyways. I definitely wouldn't want one of those swing out carriers either. Too many things to go wrong and not good load paths either. I'm also fine with switching between trailer and truck at the site as well. If they're already unmounted from the trailer anyways, it's not any more difficult to put it on the truck then. I get that it is definitely inconvenient and a time/energy waster. But it's all I've ever done, so I'm just used to it by now, whether for better or worse. haha

In the end, these are all pretty much moot points for us anyways. My wife isn't in to biking as much as I am and I can't think of a time when we'd take our bikes on a camping trip with us. I'll probably go on some camping/biking trips myself (I've always wanted to bike out west), but when I do that I'll just throw it in the bed of the truck since I won't have as much other stuff. But if I ever do have to find a different spot to mount our bikes, I'll think of you and this conversation. haha

Thanks much!
 

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All interesting points. Ones I certainly I would've (and have) thought of and taken into account, but probably not to this extent. It's always interesting hearing about other people's experiences and how those shaped their decisions (my favorite thing about getting to know people). I've seen plenty of hitch mounted bike and cargo racks too, and never seen one bent in such a way. So this sort of thing is something that, though I obviously know could be possible, was outside the realm of realistic occurrences in my mind. But since you've seen it happen, it's now one of the first things you think about regarding this. Very interesting and thanks for sharing!

I'm not sure if my hitch rack has any sort of statement about this, and I'm not sure I have the paperwork around anymore to check. But it'd be simple enough to figure out the actual load rating myself.

The bending problem could easily be solved by strengthening the mount tube either by thickening it or a using a different shape. Or by also moving the weight (bikes) closer to the bending point. The rack in the picture was doomed from the beginning with a small straight mount tube and the bikes being attached so far back. Mine has the bikes much closer and a tube shape which counteracts this type of bending motion. Not fool proof obviously, and could still fail in this matter, but would require more force. That being said, the dynamic forces are hard to quantify for sure (not impossible but would take some time and thought), so it's not something I'd try willy-nilly and "see what happens". haha

As for accessing the back of the trailer and/or moving it out of the way. That's not really a concern for me. Our trailer does also have a rear hatch which would need to be accessed once at the site. But I'd be perfectly fine with unloading the bikes once camp was setup. I'd have to do that everytime when I used it on my Subaru anyways. I definitely wouldn't want one of those swing out carriers either. Too many things to go wrong and not good load paths either. I'm also fine with switching between trailer and truck at the site as well. If they're already unmounted from the trailer anyways, it's not any more difficult to put it on the truck then. I get that it is definitely inconvenient and a time/energy waster. But it's all I've ever done, so I'm just used to it by now, whether for better or worse. haha

In the end, these are all pretty much moot points for us anyways. My wife isn't in to biking as much as I am and I can't think of a time when we'd take our bikes on a camping trip with us. I'll probably go on some camping/biking trips myself (I've always wanted to bike out west), but when I do that I'll just throw it in the bed of the truck since I won't have as much other stuff. But if I ever do have to find a different spot to mount our bikes, I'll think of you and this conversation. haha

Thanks much!
There's absolutely an element of overloading and generally poor load management going on with the failures I've seen, too. Certainly there are people who manage to carry bikes behind trailers (especially teardrops) safely. For me, after entirely too much research, I decided it wasn't worth the spend to make it work when I realized that other ways could work as well or better for my uses.

I think the bouncing is a big deal for the pivots on most racks, rather than outright bending like I showed in the pic. I know most of the commercial racks specifically say not to go off-roading with them for very similar reasons. Most of them put this information on their websites nowadays, so it's searchable before making a purchase.

My wife and I love to ride, so most of our trips will involve riding. So far, all of our trips in the camper have involved riding. Our first trip 3 days after picking up our camper was a 3200mi round trip to Sedona, AZ for the Sedona mountain bike festival. Much of the time, we are able to camp fairly close to the trails we plan to ride, but some places that hasn't worked out. The mtb festival was one of them. With as far as we were traveling and with as many people as we knew were going to be there, we didn't want to hunt for open campsites (free or not) after we got there. We wanted a reservation in hand so we knew where to go after 3 days of driving. To get that, plus showers, we ended up about a half hour drive outside of Sedona in the next town over. Which meant we needed to transport bikes on the car once we dropped the camper.

We tried one thing on this trip that we didn't like.

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This arrangement made the drive, but the clearances were just too tight for future use. I had to be super careful of turning radius, because the rack would hit the toolbox. Also, steeper articulation angles would result in contact between the ball latch and the bottom of the bike rack.

I wanted to bring the Kuat because I had a workstand for it (whole reason I bought that particular hitch rack, was to have that workstand for bike/camping trips). I've now realized that's not a feasible plan, and use the roof trays on top of the Subie.

The Exodux rack is going to work great for the Ranger when the rack manufacturer gets the Ranger mounting plates fabbed up.

 

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There's absolutely an element of overloading and generally poor load management going on with the failures I've seen, too. Certainly there are people who manage to carry bikes behind trailers (especially teardrops) safely. For me, after entirely too much research, I decided it wasn't worth the spend to make it work when I realized that other ways could work as well or better for my uses.

I think the bouncing is a big deal for the pivots on most racks, rather than outright bending like I showed in the pic. I know most of the commercial racks specifically say not to go off-roading with them for very similar reasons. Most of them put this information on their websites nowadays, so it's searchable before making a purchase.

My wife and I love to ride, so most of our trips will involve riding. So far, all of our trips in the camper have involved riding. Our first trip 3 days after picking up our camper was a 3200mi round trip to Sedona, AZ for the Sedona mountain bike festival. Much of the time, we are able to camp fairly close to the trails we plan to ride, but some places that hasn't worked out. The mtb festival was one of them. With as far as we were traveling and with as many people as we knew were going to be there, we didn't want to hunt for open campsites (free or not) after we got there. We wanted a reservation in hand so we knew where to go after 3 days of driving. To get that, plus showers, we ended up about a half hour drive outside of Sedona in the next town over. Which meant we needed to transport bikes on the car once we dropped the camper.

We tried one thing on this trip that we didn't like.

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This arrangement made the drive, but the clearances were just too tight for future use. I had to be super careful of turning radius, because the rack would hit the toolbox. Also, steeper articulation angles would result in contact between the ball latch and the bottom of the bike rack.

I wanted to bring the Kuat because I had a workstand for it (whole reason I bought that particular hitch rack, was to have that workstand for bike/camping trips). I've now realized that's not a feasible plan, and use the roof trays on top of the Subie.

The Exodux rack is going to work great for the Ranger when the rack manufacturer gets the Ranger mounting plates fabbed up.
Well the bending is caused by the bouncing. It's all the same loading and failure mode. So we're ultimately talking about the same thing.

That's an interesting camper. I was going to ask you about it when you said some call it a "squaredrop" or whatever. I've seen similar designs and shapes before, but not that one specifically. Though I suppose I think you said you had it custom made, so that would make sense that I'd never seen it before. How much does it weigh? Because having that small Subie pull it 3200 miles across the country and back seems like quite the feat. Our teardrop weights in a 1200lbs dry and my old Crosstrek had a heck of a time pulling it just for weekend trips around our local area. Certainly wouldn't have even attempted a cross country trip with mine. One of the reasons we ended up getting the truck as soon as we did was to make that much easier.

Here's ours. First with the Subie the day we picked it up. Second with the truck before our week long Great Lakes tour last August. It's got a little bit more of the teardrop shape, but still some square/sharp edges in the back.

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Well the bending is caused by the bouncing. It's all the same loading and failure mode. So we're ultimately talking about the same thing.

That's an interesting camper. I was going to ask you about it when you said some call it a "squaredrop" or whatever. I've seen similar designs and shapes before, but not that one specifically. Though I suppose I think you said you had it custom made, so that would make sense that I'd never seen it before. How much does it weigh? Because having that small Subie pull it 3200 miles across the country and back seems like quite the feat. Our teardrop weights in a 1200lbs dry and my old Crosstrek had a heck of a time pulling it just for weekend trips around our local area. Certainly wouldn't have even attempted a cross country trip with mine. One of the reasons we ended up getting the truck as soon as we did was to make that much easier.

Here's ours. First with the Subie the day we picked it up. Second with the truck before our week long Great Lakes tour last August. It's got a little bit more of the teardrop shape, but still some square/sharp edges in the back.

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Nice. You have a TC Teardrop. Mine was a similar sort of build-to-order arrangement, and I considered a TC. I like their looks and options a lot. But when I was shopping, TC's builds were I think 9mo+ out. The manufacturer I chose, Hiker Trailer, was only 3mo (though they're more like 9mo nowadays). Mine's a good bit lighter than you stated, though. It's less than 1,000lb dry, and right at 1400lb fully loaded for a trip. Sure, I had to drive the Subie pretty conservatively, but it did well enough (except for the supercell t-storms and the microburst in Missouri that got me to pull off the road for half an hour or so). I averaged about 19mpg while towing, even though the mtns of NM and AZ, which wasn't bad at all, but the gas tank size had me stopping to fuel up more frequently than I cared to. The engine was also revving more than I liked at times, so I had to pay attention to that more than anything and adjust speed accordingly in places.

The Ranger should barely notice it, and take a MUCH smaller hit to fuel economy, allowing for less frequent fuel stops. Plus, I won't have the bikes up on the roof to act as sails, so that'll be nice.
 

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I will say something that is apparently sacrilegious... I usually just take the front wheel off and lay my bike down in the bed of the truck. Sounds like some people are worried it'll get dinged up and rub and all that. So far I haven't had any issues with that.

I do have a hitch rack that I have had for years. But I only use that in the summer/fall. In the spring/winter I put my bike inside, under protection, to keep it from getting covered in salt and road grime. Not sure on the brand of the rack or anything, it was a relatively cheap one from my local bike shop and it works just fine. Got that slight loose rack sway that every rack we've ever had has done. But it's not going anywhere so whatever.
Just barely, but it fits even with the front wheel on.


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Nice. You have a TC Teardrop. Mine was a similar sort of build-to-order arrangement, and I considered a TC. I like their looks and options a lot. But when I was shopping, TC's builds were I think 9mo+ out. The manufacturer I chose, Hiker Trailer, was only 3mo (though they're more like 9mo nowadays). Mine's a good bit lighter than you stated, though. It's less than 1,000lb dry, and right at 1400lb fully loaded for a trip. Sure, I had to drive the Subie pretty conservatively, but it did well enough (except for the supercell t-storms and the microburst in Missouri that got me to pull off the road for half an hour or so). I averaged about 19mpg while towing, even though the mtns of NM and AZ, which wasn't bad at all, but the gas tank size had me stopping to fuel up more frequently than I cared to. The engine was also revving more than I liked at times, so I had to pay attention to that more than anything and adjust speed accordingly in places.

The Ranger should barely notice it, and take a MUCH smaller hit to fuel economy, allowing for less frequent fuel stops. Plus, I won't have the bikes up on the roof to act as sails, so that'll be nice.
Pretty cool that you've heard of TC Teardrops! I find that not many people have. Must've really done your research when shopping. We really like the design and shape as well. And the options were what really pushed us over the edge. To be able to get exactly what you want to the point where no 2 are exactly alike is great. They even added a few things that weren't on the options list and some things just custom for us, which is nice. We ordered ours in October and picked it up in April, so about 6 months. And winter months too which is nice, didn't eat into our camping season activies. Plus their shop is only about 4.5hrs from where we live, so we could go pick it up and take it home in a day.

We ended up getting the largest model they had. I'm 6' 1" and need the length, plus we have 3 dogs (2 of which at the time of purchase) so we need all the bed space we could get. So that's why ours is so heavy, relatively. I know that the smallest model starts at only like 600lbs dry or something like that. On our week long trim last summer, it probably weighed in at 1800-2000lbs with all the gear and kayaks. Still not that much for what it gives us.

My Crosstrek was a manual transmission and was having problems near the end there. Problems intermittent enough that the dealer couldn't recreate them, so that didn't help. And towing with it made those problems worse. Just had to bail on it and get the Ranger a bit earlier than we I wanted. But no regrets there!

The Ranger barely notices our teardrop for sure, even when it was fully loaded for the long trip. Mileage was anywhere between 14mpg (75mph into a strong headwind) to 21mpg (60mph on rural highways). Though I'm almost wondering if our addition of a topper will make it better even still. Since the teardrop sits low enough to not add any frontal area, and with the topper the wind won't have to go down to bed level and then back up over the camper. Might just draft right in the truck's slipstream completely now.


Also, sorry to OP and everyone for hijacking and diverting this thread. haha
 

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Just barely, but it fits even with the front wheel on.


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Nice! Unfortunately my fatbike is quite a bit bigger than that road bike. haha It barely fits diagonal in the bed, even with the front tire off. haha
 

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Made a trip to the hardware store yesterday to finish buying the bolts and stuff I needed to finish up. Got the 2 mounts I need now attached. Wife's bike fits in the bed nicely. Mine needs to be angled to fit, but not too severely. Will probably just use a bungee to attach each front wheel to one of the tie-downs to keep them from bouncing around.

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Will get the fatbike mount installed later, and also the 2 QR mounts for the road/gravel bikes. Once I get the exodux rack, this board will be used primarily for the road bikes, anyway. Might even just drill new holes in the qr mounts and swap them out.
 
 



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