Wheeler’s Superbump Stops Argument

[ctechbob]

Just drove my truck. It fell apart. Bolts everywhere. Warrantee gone.
Do not install these bumpstops. They are a part made for Toyotas.

Snarkyness sure is a great way to get your point across.

Kidding.
Been playing with it a lot and haven’t found any downsides. More useable leaf spring before contact is made.

This is just about the only thing you've said that is correct. Yep, you'll have more travel before the axle crashes into the stop. Not necessarily a great thing if you're using shocks that are meant to have an active bumpstop in play.

Loaded about 10 cases of beer in the bed and hit some hefty bumps faster than I would have liked to see if I would “end up in the weeds”. Nope.

More snark directed in my direction, cool.

These are softer and more compliant than stock. Don’t get me wrong, you feel when you hit the stop, as you should. However, the material is way more compliment yet supportive. You don’t get a harsh hit like the stock stops that have you say, “ahhh my kidney.”

You mean 'compliant', either way.

Missed this the first go-round

Don’t get me wrong, you feel when you hit the stop, as you should.

No you damn well should not 'feel it'. Do you think real desert racers (Think Robbie Gordon/Ivan Stewart and the like) are bouncing off bump stops? No way in hell. They have huge nitrogen-charged shocks for a reason and that reason is to damp the motion BEFORE it gets to a hard stop. They're not 'feeling their bump stops like they should'. Why? Because IT UPSETS THE TRUCK.

This is EXACTLY why the longer/softer/more progressive stops are used these days. Engineers have found that you can run less initial spring rate for comfort, and then slowly increase that rate under load to provide the shocks time to damp the motion. This is EXACTLY why they work so well on Toyota's. Toyota is STARTING with a stiffer stop and by adding these 'magic stops' they're going to a softer/progressive stop.

Further.

For the last time. You cannot have something (A single material bump stop as these all are) both be softer and more supportive. The material is either a higher durometer, or it is softer. If it is higher, then the impact will be more than the OEM stops. If it is softer, you'll crash through the stop and you'll have metal-on-metal. It simply can't be any other way. I see no mention of them being anything other than a single durometer material. They're not some super multi-layer stuff.

After I drank all the beer, the ride was even better. Kidding again.

Are you? Are you sure?

Unloaded the bed so I just had my shell. Drove even faster through some small whoops. Continuous cycle of the suspension and continuous contact with the bumps, no bucking of the rear end and certainly smoother. Better yet, I have about 1.5-2 more inches before my shock bottoms. Go me.

No, you have 1-2" more before the stop is contacted. The shock is probably very close to bottoming because it was designed to work with the factory stops. Someone is going to take your advice with a different set of shocks and absolutely wreck the internals because they didn't check the travel before they bolted on the 'miracle stops' you keep pimping.

Now I’m clearly no profession, I just tune, rebuild, and sale suspension for other people’s money.

No comment.

I will say that these would be not good for towing with a high tongue weight. You would have a pretty significant amount of squat and your leaf springs may shed some tears. Would it work? Yep. Would it be comfortable? Probably not.

Well, you're absolutely correct there.

Something else to note: Raptor bump stops also work great on our setups. I was torn between those and the superbumps. Although, the Raptor bump stops (I believe they are timbren)

Uhh, they're not. Timbrens are a rubber material. The Ford OEM Raptor ones are Poly, just like the regular ones. But you knew that because people pay you to know that, right? Also, I'm quite sure Ford can build their own bumpstops and don't need to subcontract those.

These are the bumps sold with a very prestigious set of leaf springs. I wanted a bit more contact and a slower ramp up, so I went with the superbumps.

Already covered

I’ll keep proving people wrong with updates on the terrible performance of these crappy Toyota bumpstops.

No, you're just trying to convince people to use a product in an application for which it isn't designed, or suited.

‘Merica

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[ctechbob]

To people who might have read this far, here are some conclusions we can draw.

If you want to use a much shorter bumpstop in your offroad setup you need to come to terms with a few things.

1. Make absolutely sure that the internals of your shock support being compressed to the point of where the axle meets the frame metal-on-metal. The shorter stop will likely compress to this point on a hard enough bump. You do not want the internals of your shocks coming in to contact with the shock body. Bad things will happen, happen fast, and it will only take one contact for it to happen.

2. Understand that the factory shocks, and most aftermarket shocks are tuned to work with some version of an active bumpstop, which comes factory on the truck. These types of stops 'catch' the axle much earlier in its travel and provide a progressive rate up to their maximum compression. The shorter stop will be like hitting a brick wall for your axle and the spring rate will shoot through the roof. Possibly consider custom valving. Any good shock rebuilder will want to know the data of the bumpstop to design that into the compression and rebound valving for the shock.

3. You might also want to increase the leaf spring rate to try and stay off the bumpstops as much as possible. Downside to this is that the ride will be worse, and you'll be swapping out the leaf packs.

4. Ride will be a smidge better (with OEM Springs), up to the point where it is not. Heavy bumps will tend to upset the truck due to the suspension's spring rate shooting through the roof when contact with the bump stop is made.

5. Wheeler does not make a product recommended for the Ranger. You'll likely be SOL on warranty.

6. Going to a shorter, potentially stiffer bumpstop is a step back in technology. The reason they work so well in Tacomaworld, is that the Tacoma's use an older design rubber bump stops which are insanely stiff and short-traveled when they're contacted by the axle/control arm. Upgrading one of those to a poly/extended stop is probably like going from walking on pavment, to floating on air.

Our Rangers already come with a more advanced expanded poly bumpstop. There are several options available, including the Tremor stops, Timbrens, and Sumo Springs which are probably a better choice, but if you wish to take a technological step backwards, by all means, test out the Wheelers.

If you're more of the YOLO crowd that wants to YEET everything to be FIRE AF and the GOAT, then (you're probably not reading forums) go ahead and make your truck LIT IRL, cause IYKYK.

 

[Grumpaw]

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Why are you so insistent pushing these stops. Fine, they fit, BUT the company has no listing for our Rangers. Of course it fits....there's nothing but a hole in it that will accept the Rangers bolt....still dosen't mean it is proper for the Ranger.
For you it works, at least to your expectations. But there are several other companies that make products for the Ranger, with proper R&D and fitment.
You keep pushing these stops as if they were the best way to go, when in fact, it's a part made for an entirely different vehicle and application.
Maybe you should go to a Taco site and push Ranger parts on them !!!
Bet it won't take 36 posts to laugh you off the site !!!!

 

[Chris M]

Herein is wisdom succinctly stated by @Grumpaw. Hear him :

"...Of course it fits....there's nothing but a hole in it that will accept the Rangers bolt....still dosen't mean it is proper for the Ranger."

I'm not an engineer, I do not play one on a TV show, and I did not sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night. But some people here ARE, and speak with a certain amount of accepted authority in our forum because they make sense. (But I'm not one of them, as I've said).

All that said, it occurred to me early on what ctech and grumpaw have said about this. More things need to be considered than if a part will "fit" before we go to bolting stuff onto our trucks.

Even a new/casual observer to this forum will see in many cases extensive research and "what-if?" scenarios are put into threads discussing new parts/upgrades. Especially in tires and suspension upgrades as they are foundational things.

And there you have my two cents worth of opinion.

 

[DukeCanBuildit]

Just drove my truck. It fell apart. Bolts everywhere. Warrantee gone.
Do not install these bumpstops. They are a part made for Toyotas.

Kidding.
Been playing with it a lot and haven’t found any downsides. More useable leaf spring before contact is made. Loaded about 10 cases of beer in the bed and hit some hefty bumps faster than I would have liked to see if I would “end up in the weeds”. Nope. These are softer and more compliant than stock. Don’t get me wrong, you feel when you hit the stop, as you should. However, the material is way more compliment yet supportive. You don’t get a harsh hit like the stock stops that have you say, “ahhh my kidney.”
After I drank all the beer, the ride was even better. Kidding again.
Unloaded the bed so I just had my shell. Drove even faster through some small whoops. Continuous cycle of the suspension and continuous contact with the bumps, no bucking of the rear end and certainly smoother. Better yet, I have about 1.5-2 more inches before my shock bottoms. Go me.

Now I’m clearly no profession, I just tune, rebuild, and sale suspension for other people’s money. I will say that these would be not good for towing with a high tongue weight. You would have a pretty significant amount of squat and your leaf springs may shed some tears. Would it work? Yep. Would it be comfortable? Probably not.

Something else to note: Raptor bump stops also work great on our setups. I was torn between those and the superbumps. Although, the Raptor bump stops (I believe they are timbren) are shorter. These are the bumps sold with a very prestigious set of leaf springs. I wanted a bit more contact and a slower ramp up, so I went with the superbumps.

I’ll keep proving people wrong with updates on the terrible performance of these crappy Toyota bumpstops.

‘Merica

That’s kind of like saying, “These Toyota airbags fit our Rangers - they aren’t as big and deploy a little bit later, but the fabric is softer.”

Thanks for the advice but it’s a hard NO for me.

 

[Grumpaw]

That’s kind of like saying, “These Toyota airbags fit our Rangers - they aren’t as big and deploy a little bit later, but the fabric is softer.”

Thanks for the advice but it’s a hard NO for me.

All this got me to thinkin....do you'all think the Taco fender flairs will fit my Ranger....I mean they got holes....maybe just bolt em on !!!
After all, a hole is a hole is a hole.....

 

[DukeCanBuildit]

All this got me to thinkin....do you'all think the Taco fender flairs will fit my Ranger....I mean they got holes....maybe just bolt em on !!!
After all, a hole is a hole is a hole.....

Yes, they’ll fit! Now, you’ll be able to run those square tires you have in your garage. ?

 

[mtbikernate]

After all, a hole is a hole is a hole.....

that's what she said

 

[Grumpaw]

Yes, they’ll fit! Now, you’ll be able to run those square tires you have in your garage. ?

Go ahead and laugh all you want.....picture of my previous truck.....

 

[Chris M]

Go ahead and laugh all you want.....picture of my previous truck.....

I bet I know who'd drive that...
?

 

[Chris M]

They are bumpstops. They literally do the same thing as other bumpstops. Bottom out protection. Everyone has their panties in a wad like I just put a gooseneck in my bed to tow my fifth wheel.

For shits and giggles I may just start a thread called, Will t Bumpstop where I bolt objects to the bumpstop location. I’m talking pencil erasers, bumpstops from an f350 (according to some this will be the most plush option because they are longer and the same material), bowling balls, and dildos.

Only issue I foresee in a crowd of geriatrics protesting my thread telling me they want their dildos back and they are not designed for our trucks.

Comedy. Just like the majority of my other posts.

But your other posts aren't funny. They have come across as mean-spirited snark. As has already been pointed out in this thread.

 

[Grumpaw]

Damn son, can you send me two?

See....now your getting it....the factr that we're not against you, and the fact that your now also making fun-fun with us.
Took ya long enough, like 40ish posts.
Glad you decided to join us !!!

Better to laugh along with us....
Than end up doing this to yourself...

 

[Taco Transplant]

See....now your getting it....the factr that we're not against you, and the fact that your now also making fun-fun with us.
Took ya long enough, like 40ish posts.
Glad you decided to join us !!!

Better to laugh along with us....
Than end up doing this to yourself...

I thought this was a forum to share information with others. Not make fun-fun and plague the forum with irrelevant chatter. I’ll play though!

 

[Grumpaw]

I thought this was a forum to share information with others. Not make fun-fun and plague the forum with irrelevant chatter. I’ll play though!

Sharing....a big YES !!!
But sharing something you did, and than keep pushing it on us even though we consider it a bad idea...a big NO.
There comes a point where you have to realize that, as in this case, there are dozens and dozens of us who have used the brands, that were R&D'd for the Rangers for years, with great success.
While your idea may hold merit for you, and your happy with the outcome, it's just not for the rest of us.
My case....I have the Sumo's, and would never consider using what you proposed, and I doubt there is one other member here who would/will try it.
Let it go, join the group, share, poke fun, and enjoy the camaraderie here.

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