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For all of you paint guys. What is going on here? The paint came off and exposed primer. When we went to wet sand the primer it came right off with blue metallic paint underneath. I am confused, and admit I am not a paint expert by any means. My buddy who is in the business says this is a cover up at the factory botched. Just curious what everyone thinks.

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For all of you paint guys. What is going on here? The paint came off and exposed primer. When we went to wet sand the primer it came right off with blue metallic paint underneath. I am confused, and admit I am not a paint expert by any means. My buddy who is in the business says this is a cover up at the factory botched. Just curious what everyone thinks.

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Or during delivery and fixed by the dealer? Nasty.
 

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For all of you paint guys. What is going on here? The paint came off and exposed primer. When we went to wet sand the primer it came right off with blue metallic paint underneath. I am confused, and admit I am not a paint expert by any means. My buddy who is in the business says this is a cover up at the factory botched. Just curious what everyone thinks.

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A robot painter failed?
 


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Or during delivery and fixed by the dealer? Nasty.
I was there when it got unloaded. I had ordered the truck , and was talking to my salesman when semi pulled in. If it wasn't for that I would lean that direction. It happened at Ford. My truck was a chip truck that sit for 40 days back in fall of 21. It got brought back in factory to get the chips it was missing. It's hard to tell, but Ford is responsible.
 
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its been a long time but as a teenager i worked at a body shop and did all the crap work and eventually got to do paint work. from looking in the pic closely it looks like your paint has some trash under the paint, which is the reason why its coming off of course. the good news its fixable. bad news is that if its under the paint as it looks to be and not "in" the paint or clear no amount of polishing or wet sanding etc. is going to stop the other spots from doing the same thing as the one pictured. small debris, even dust or an oily finger print, drop of sweat form the brow etc. can ruin a paint job in a hurry if not caught. shame. the rangers are not cheap and ford is not kia or Suzuki. for what we pay for a ford these days i think its fair to expect better quality control for our money.
If you get a chance check out my new pics. What do you think?
 

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For all of you paint guys. What is going on here? The paint came off and exposed primer. When we went to wet sand the primer it came right off with blue metallic paint underneath. I am confused, and admit I am not a paint expert by any means. My buddy who is in the business says this is a cover up at the factory botched. Just curious what everyone thinks.

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so im not certain and far from expert but it looks like someone noticed the trash in the paint and tried to band aid it by wet sanding and then blending ahead of it leaving the factory. so quality control did make an effort to fix it. if you look really closely you can see that the sparkle of the metallic flakes seem to change frequency of showing up. the further out from the bad spot, the more evenly spaced the flakes are. the spot where the flakes are closer and dimmer are closer is indication of the repair attempt. the weird pacific island shape is where they may have gotten some thinner or other contamination in the paint making it not to stick well. also a side effect of the attempts not curing at the same time / speed. the first paint job with the trash or debris was not finished doing its thing before they tried to do a repair. they attempted what i call a spot blend. i would have tried the same, or simply grabbed a new panel and started fresh in a perfect world lol. paint is sorta baked on cars, older paint booths had large heaters that would speed the process along. im sure a modern method is doing the same thing but better or faster now. inside the island shape i can still see the trash / debris spot that looks like its just about to become a new "bald" spot. if you can keep gently wet sanding with the finest paper you can find - by hand- no machines it might be enough to smooth out the debris and give a spot you can blend. try to sand in more than one direction. not a circle motion but sort of like northeast to southwest for a while then switch to northwest to southeast. kinda get a beat going, so you have equal amount of passes for each direction. that way your getting at the trash from more than one side, and making it a more evenly sanded spot. dont skimp on the water, keep the area and your paper drenched. i would do it by hand, no sanding block ,so you can feel the paint. go easy and slow and you will "feel" what i mean, the spot you want to kill should feel like tiny ripples or bubbles that dont match the feel around it. in my mind it will feel like grains of salt on a table top and a piece of paper on top then hand on paper. you can feel the salt but just barely. not to kill hope but blending any color thats got metallic / sparkle and is bright is a bitch. it may never be a perfect match between the original and the blended repair spot. new paint vs old will have some aging visible. the factory paint vs the blend paint being mixed exactly as it was at the factory would be like hitting the Powerball. even if it was mixed spot on, you run into the age issue again. the upside is that your truck is new enough the paint isnt drastically different like a ten year old car would be. something to keep in mind is you want to only have to spray the smallest amount possible to fix the issue. less new paint and clear shared with old paint and old clear is less difference to notice. fixing the smallest amount possible makes it easier. less new paint to try to match and that leaves you have more area to "ease into" the original finish. when ready to paint adjust your gun for a wide sweep thats slow on feeding the paint. you want a few minutes worth of passes with the gun before the spot is covered. sorta having more air than paint leave the gun. the slow feed and wide sweep of small amount help blend the new into the old in an easier to miss transition. I think a lot of patience will get it to look nice enough most people would not notice unless they are up close or looking with intent to find a flaw. if you have PPG or English Color store in your area see what fine wet sanding paper they have. They are typically better selection and quality than the hardware stores carry.
 

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This is pretty typical of ALL car manufacturers, and @9zero1790 hit it on the head. Before a vehicle leaves the factory, a QC team typically looks at them under bright lighting, circles the bad blems with a grease pencil, and then someone comes along and sands out the blems, hits the bad areas with paint and buffs it back out. This happens with our lowly Fords and then all the way up to Aston Martins and Lambos. Given the issues with aluminum body panels, contamination, etc., I would opine that this makes it PITA down the road when it happens to us.
 
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Truck is two years old, but out of warranty. They will do nothing. I have been a loyal Ford owner for years. I have owned more trucks then most , just because of the fleet of trucks we kept on our farm. This truck is having transmission issues shifting into eighth gear in the last five thousand miles. I have been told it's normal . I dealt with Ford for years at my work. We supplied parts for cars, and they were never stringent on defects like the other car companies. I really like this truck, but thinking it's time to look elsewhere down the road. No vehicle is perfect, but a company that stands behind cheap practices in Ford tough quality should be.
My truck is 4 years old. I've not had flaking issues, but it definitely dents easier than any other vehicle I've had. Also started noticing the 8th gear shifting issues several months ago. Not sure what to do about it. Guess I'll mention it to the service department next time I take it in.
 

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my trucks been awesome for 34999 miles with two exceptions, transmission and rear brakes. The other things have been annoying like the shimming of the truck to get a decent drive line setup etc. and my damn adjustable headrests.
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