Velossa Tech Design Big Mouth for 2019+ Ranger

[RANGER_MARC]

I am on the fence about this it only gives 2 more mpg does it give any hp

Still, two more MPG, if true, is a big deal....

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[RARE5.0]

Still, two more MPG, if true, is a big deal....

But 129 bucks for 2 mpg isn't worth it

 

[Ljhardrock]

Just order mine today gonna see how it works with all my bolt on. I do have mishimoto new air intake system which already had a big impact on my air flow.

 

[RANGER_MARC]

But 129 bucks for 2 mpg isn't worth it

Well, that is a matter of opinion, and I respect yours, but if it really gets two extra miles per gallon, then it will more than pay for itself over the life of the vehicle, which, to me, is worthwhile, providing there is not any negative impact in running one. I will wait to hear from other members who have actually tried one....

 

[Frenchy]

Well, that is a matter of opinion, and I respect yours, but if it really gets two extra miles per gallon, then it will more than pay for itself over the life of the vehicle, which, to me, is worthwhile, providing there is not any negative impact in running one. I will wait to hear from other members who have actually tried one....

I can't see any major negative impacts of this entirely. Whay you open the hood you do see a few(key word here) openings for air to get it so even if you get in a snow storm you wont have total blockage to the intake. Now if you do go offroad and you have the chance of water crossings then it isnt a good idea in my opinion. That is the reason I won't get this but then again I am not everyone else on here.

 

[Ace Holliday]

I have a hard time believing a simple air scoop will gain 2 MPG. Can anyone explain why that might possibly be true? That is a SIGNIFICANT increase in MPG. I could see maybe 2%, but 2 MPG would be like a 10% gain.

My thoughts as well. Soooooooo many variables when monitoring fuel efficiency. What instruments were used to determine a 2 mpg increase?
I have driven the same 53.2 mile route many times and have tried really hard to do it the same every time and my mpg will vary more than 2 mpg. Sometimes twice that.
Not to mention claims of a performance gain.
Without knowing the parameters of the fuel efficiency testing and seeing before and after dyno sheets all of the claims are anecdotal.

 

[Racket]

I can't see any major negative impacts of this entirely. Whay you open the hood you do see a few(key word here) openings for air to get it so even if you get in a snow storm you wont have total blockage to the intake. Now if you do go offroad and you have the chance of water crossings then it isnt a good idea in my opinion. That is the reason I won't get this but then again I am not everyone else on here.

I spoke to Dan about the risk of hydro lock if water gets into the scoop. He said in the hundreds the company has sold for sedans even in prone-to-deep-standing rainwater (Florida comes to mind) no one has reported an issue. I suspect it doesn't pull enough vacuum.

In my real world testing of mixed driving, I get the basic equivalent of an additional gallon of gas per tank. If Premium magically was $2 a gallon and the Big Mouth was $150 obviously it would take 75 tanks of gas to break even. So in my case just under a year and a half. As far as power, I can't figure out how to quantify that. Clearly higher efficiency = more power but how that is expressed HP/torque or something else I don't know.

I was a big skeptic getting involved. My ability to get super detailed data is limited, but I have consistent improvements on the (corrected) factory computer. It's not gone lower than my previous running averages.

As far as how this technology works Velossa Tech has a lot of explanations on the web page. Dan used his expertise previously working for a major aerodynamics company to develop his products.

 

[Racket]

Just order mine today gonna see how it works with all my bolt on. I do have mishimoto new air intake system which already had a big impact on my air flow.

I really like the Mishimoto design, I just can't compromise on the filter media.

Do this: don't change anything else about your truck and especially not your driving style. Make note of your average MPG according to the computer, then once you have the Big Mouth on, ignore your MPG computer for a couple tanks of gas before comparing.

It's anecdotal, sure - it's also real life.

I don't want to come off as a snake oil salesman but it's how I came to my conclusion.

 

[Frenchy]

I spoke to Dan about the risk of hydro lock if water gets into the scoop. He said in the hundreds the company has sold for sedans even in prone-to-deep-standing rainwater (Florida comes to mind) no one has reported an issue. I suspect it doesn't pull enough vacuum.

In my real world testing of mixed driving, I get the basic equivalent of an additional gallon of gas per tank. If Premium magically was $2 a gallon and the Big Mouth was $150 obviously it would take 75 tanks of gas to break even. So in my case just under a year and a half. As far as power, I can't figure out how to quantify that. Clearly higher efficiency = more power but how that is expressed HP/torque or something else I don't know.

I was a big skeptic getting involved. My ability to get super detailed data is limited, but I have consistent improvements on the (corrected) factory computer. It's not gone lower than my previous running averages.

As far as how this technology works Velossa Tech has a lot of explanations on the web page. Dan used his expertise previously working for a major aerodynamics company to develop his products.

I will agree on a bit of this. Getting better MPG over all really isn't that bad even though it can take a few tanks to pay off but it is easier to do so compared to a tune by itself. Does it give more power? Possibly but in my opinion its marginal. I believe forcing air to the scoop is gping to provide better overall efficiency with cooler air and that is why the MPG is possible. Please correct me if I'm wrong here.

For water causing Hydro locking I'm still a bit worried. When it comes to offroad there can be those times you could get a DEEP water crossing where you need to have a bow wave to get across and even then that could force watter up the scoop and have that issue. That is where I would be concerned. In Florida if the standing rain water isnt as high as the intake then I would figure you are fine on a sedan. When the water is that high you are to not go there as the signs do instruct you not to enter when flooded. Your thoughts?

 

[Ljhardrock]

I really like the Mishimoto design, I just can't compromise on the filter media.

Do this: don't change anything else about your truck and especially not your driving style. Make note of your average MPG according to the computer, then once you have the Big Mouth on, ignore your MPG computer for a couple tanks of gas before comparing.

It's anecdotal, sure - it's also real life.

I don't want to come off as a snake oil salesman but it's how I came to my conclusion.

Your not coming off that way so no problem and i like trying new parts out all the time for my vehicle. So i will be giving an update in the next 1000 miles or so but i am more looking at air temps under aggressive driving to see if there's any improvements. As well as daily driving this summer has been rough with 120f or high some days so anything would be great.

 

[Racket]

Your not coming off that way so no problem and i like trying new parts out all the time for my vehicle. So i will be giving an update in the next 1000 miles or so but i am more looking at air temps under aggressive driving to see if there's any improvements. As well as daily driving this summer has been rough with 120f or high some days so anything would be great.

Air temp is a variable I can't evaluate. It's been consistently around 90° F in South Florida since I've had the scoop installed, high humidity and of course close to sea level.

One of the points made on the manufacturer website is that charging the air ahead of the airbox was effectively like operating at a lower altitude - which makes some sense. For those at high altitudes I imagine it would make the onboard computer go nuts with the changes in operation at different speeds. I don't perceive I've changed my driving style (the word 'spirited' comes to mind) and can't imagine the big mouth has influenced it either.

I'm relying on the odometer and the corrected on-board computer for mileage efficiency, backed by hand calculating when filling up.

I may be simulating driving below sea level at highway speeds? Maybe it reduces the need for premium gas with my current tune? I thought of this after seeing the mention on Velossa Tech's site... now I wonder if it did trigger my MAF code that sent me to the dealer. Maybe time to tweak my tune.

 

[Racket]

I will agree on a bit of this. Getting better MPG over all really isn't that bad even though it can take a few tanks to pay off but it is easier to do so compared to a tune by itself. Does it give more power? Possibly but in my opinion its marginal. I believe forcing air to the scoop is gping to provide better overall efficiency with cooler air and that is why the MPG is possible. Please correct me if I'm wrong here.

For water causing Hydro locking I'm still a bit worried. When it comes to offroad there can be those times you could get a DEEP water crossing where you need to have a bow wave to get across and even then that could force watter up the scoop and have that issue. That is where I would be concerned. In Florida if the standing rain water isnt as high as the intake then I would figure you are fine on a sedan. When the water is that high you are to not go there as the signs do instruct you not to enter when flooded. Your thoughts?

Yeah, water ingress should definitely be a concern for off-roaders, but the scoop does not create an absolute seal to the airbox. Thats going to require a lot of specific re-engineering of the truck for hard core trails and the factory system isn't going to be sufficient either. That's why I linked the snorkel system that replaces the lower part of the airbox altogether- it's just not practical to me (and I suspect 99% of Ranger owners). Snow packing the grill is going to be a separate concern. I remember covers for truck grills sold for extreme weather, and fuel efficiency or performance takes a back seat to just functioning.

My thoughts would be fine particulate matter making it into the airbox in more concentrated amounts, but I haven't noticed an increase sitting on top of the engine shroud where the factory opening is.

Maybe a fine oil on the surface could reveal how much dust moves through and what pattern it follows but that's not going to be real clear. I'm sticking with paper filters.

 

[ROOK]

Luis and John , thanks to both of you for “airing “ this out on the forum! Many of us are interested in the performance and improvements in the scoop. Look forward to future discussions and certainly appreciate the efforts!!

 

[Ljhardrock]

Air temp is a variable I can't evaluate. It's been consistently around 90° F in South Florida since I've had the scoop installed, high humidity and of course close to sea level.

One of the points made on the manufacturer website is that charging the air ahead of the airbox was effectively like operating at a lower altitude - which makes some sense. For those at high altitudes I imagine it would make the onboard computer go nuts with the changes in operation at different speeds.

I may be simulating driving below sea level at highway speeds?

I don't know how you guys do it out there with the humidity we get around 50% humidity and I'm sweating ball.

I did notice that to on the website to I'm curious how it will be around 130 mph at sea level and above sea level.

 

[Frenchy]

Yeah, water ingress should definitely be a concern for off-roaders, but the scoop does not create an absolute seal to the airbox. Thats going to require a lot of specific re-engineering of the truck for hard core trails and the factory system isn't going to be sufficient either. That's why I linked the snorkel system that replaces the lower part of the airbox altogether- it's just not practical to me (and I suspect 99% of Ranger owners). Snow packing the grill is going to be a separate concern. I remember covers for truck grills sold for extreme weather, and fuel efficiency or performance takes a back seat to just functioning.

My thoughts would be fine particulate matter making it into the airbox in more concentrated amounts, but I haven't noticed an increase sitting on top of the engine shroud where the factory opening is.

Maybe a fine oil on the surface could reveal how much dust moves through and what pattern it follows but that's not going to be real clear. I'm sticking with paper filters.

So I got a response from Dan as well. He did say I shouldn't have to worry too much but still be careful when doing the wading water in the water crossing. I think he meant for the water crossings that aren't too deep. If it's a water crossing the does manage to come up to your hood then it's probably not a good idea.

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