Owner's Feedback, and a Proper Introduction

[Cerwin D. Vega]

Well, to make you feel better the 2.3 eco and 10 speed tranny are proven.

Big difference over a new powertrain.

It's the exact same transmission that is in the F150 and the 2.3 has been around awhile, just tuned for a truck.

Good points.

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[P. A. Schilke]

Saw it, but as long as it's an isolated thing that wouldn't matter to me. I'm sure we'll see something insane from a ranger also but until there's a pattern you just don't know what happened.

Hi
There is no such as a ones we with vehicles, EVER unless it is a crash..sounds like a systemic weakness..

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Company Retired

 

[VAMike]

There is no such as a ones we with vehicles, EVER unless it is a crash..sounds like a systemic weakness..

Or it was an oddly overloaded vehicle abused off road. It's really hard to do meaningful analysis from a couple of pictures and a sample size of one. There's a lot of Colorados out there for a systemic weakness to just not have been noticed.

 

[P. A. Schilke]

Or it was an oddly overloaded vehicle abused off road. It's really hard to do meaningful analysis from a couple of pictures and a sample size of one. There's a lot of Colorados out there for a systemic weakness to just not have been noticed.

Hi

We test overloaded a does GM...

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Company Retired

 

[t4thfavor]

Hi

We test overloaded a does GM...

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Company Retired

Right, but do you test "Oddly Overloaded"?

Here's my terrible force rendering diagram. Assuming the vehicle wasn't overloaded, and the guy it the brakes to avoid said "bump". I know it's not precise, but my guess is we'd have tons of stories of bent frames on the Colorado if this was an actual issue. I think it was a combination of speed, braking, and an oddly loaded trailer without brakes.

 

[Formula Indy]

Wouldn't it be possible he damaged the frame badly during another activity and the smaller less likely activity he was doing at the time finished it off?

 

[P. A. Schilke]

Right, but do you test "Oddly Overloaded"?

Here's my terrible force rendering diagram. Assuming the vehicle wasn't overloaded, and the guy it the brakes to avoid said "bump". I know it's not precise, but my guess is we'd have tons of stories of bent frames on the Colorado if this was an actual issue. I think it was a combination of speed, braking, and an oddly loaded trailer without brakes.

Wouldn't it be possible he damaged the frame badly during another activity and the smaller less likely activity he was doing at the time finished it off?

Both scenarios are plausible....we will probably never know root cause. I was involved in one frame cracking incident on Ranger. The vehicle spent its life on washboard roads. It had aftermarket shocks on it which allowed more strike throughs. My engineer on the case developed a load histogram of the shocks strike throughs compared to OEM shocks that showed the shocks caused 4 times more cyclic fatigue on the frame than the OEM shocks.

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Company Retired

 

[RedlandRanger]

Both scenarios are plausible....we will probably never know root cause. I was involved in one frame cracking incident on Ranger. The vehicle spent its life on washboard roads. It had aftermarket shocks on it which allowed more strike throughs. My engineer on the case developed a load histogram of the shocks strike throughs compared to OEM shocks that showed the shocks caused 4 times more cyclic fatigue on the frame than the OEM shocks.

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Company Retired

Phil - what is a "strike thru"?

 

[P. A. Schilke]

Phil - what is a "strike thru"?

Hi

Oh...sorry...should have defined this...it is when the suspension/axle slams into the jounce bumper, the rubber piece between that axle and the frame that is to soften the blow.

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Company Retired

 

[RedlandRanger]

Hi

Oh...sorry...should have defined this...it is when the suspension/axle slams into the jounce bumper, the rubber piece between that axle and the frame that is to soften the blow.

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Company Retired

I love to hear your engineering stories..... Thanks for the explanation.

If was able to understand calculus I probably would have been a engineer... But it didn't, so I'm not.

Well, I guess I am SORT of an engineer - a Software Engineer (a very poorly defined and overused term) - I try and bring engineering concepts to software development.

 

[Blue Streak]

I think the under-seat is about the same (not much on either version) but I haven't seen them side by side. There's no behind-seat in the supercab. The back of the center console is the same (2 USB+120V+phone shelf). I don't think either version has rear A/C vents. Some people find that the longer doors on the supercab make it feel like there's more shoulder room in the front seat. It's a lot easier to reach the sliding rear window (if equipped) in the supercab. There are only 2 vs 3 seating positions in the supercab rear, with 2 separate cushions and a space in between. It is possible to remove one cushion and have a durable flat surface to put stuff and still have another seating position. (Don't tell the supercrew owners complaining about the lack of a 60/40 split seat!)

I have an XL STX so it as manual A/C not climate control. Blows cold air just as well. That said it has vents on the floor under the front seats that only blow air when you use the foot setting at any time.

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