Lets talk tires... and weight

[CB750F]

Great info guys.
I know all about tires for my sport car lapping/autoX but truck tires, I need to take a deep
dive into it.
All I need is, by far mostly road, pulling a E-PRO 19', which should be about 4,000lbs.
Not sure about a dedicated road tire, then I would need a dedicated winter tire too.
Mind you, a dedicated winter M+S / 3peak, would be fine as I could swap it if(big if), I
ever do go offroad.
I don't have an E-PRO, would like one, but looking for something around 3,000lbs.

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[Wes Siler]

Great info guys.
I know all about tires for my sport car lapping/autoX but truck tires, I need to take a deep
dive into it.
All I need is, by far mostly road, pulling a E-PRO 19', which should be about 4,000lbs.
Not sure about a dedicated road tire, then I would need a dedicated winter tire too.
Mind you, a dedicated winter M+S / 3peak, would be fine as I could swap it if(big if), I
ever do go offroad.
I don't have an E-PRO, would like one, but looking for something around 3,000lbs.

M+S and 3pmsf are completely meaningless. Run a quality all terrain in summer and a real winter tire (like a Blizzak) in winter.

 

[Fritz]

Great info guys.
I know all about tires for my sport car lapping/autoX but truck tires, I need to take a deep
dive into it.
All I need is, by far mostly road, pulling a E-PRO 19', which should be about 4,000lbs.
Not sure about a dedicated road tire, then I would need a dedicated winter tire too.
Mind you, a dedicated winter M+S / 3peak, would be fine as I could swap it if(big if), I
ever do go offroad.
I don't have an E-PRO, would like one, but looking for something around 3,000lbs.

There’s no reason a m+s/ 3peak tire can’t be used year round. Many if not most have mild to moderate all terrain type tread.
Don’t confuse winter only snow tires with m+s / 3 peak tires.

 

[Fritz]

…Run a quality all terrain in summer and a real winter tire (like a Blizzak) in winter.

That’s what I do.

 

[Frenchy]

I know from experience.... the weight of a wheel/tire combo can have a huge effect on MPG. I've done this for my previous vehicle and current daily driver with excellent results (shopping by weight). The Stock Ford 18" tires for my truck come in at 35 lbs for the tire and 31 lbs for the rim. I'd LIKE to have a better, not necessarily bigger tire on my truck. I like the Nitto's but they are 41.5 lbs for the same size. Some tires go up as much as 65+ lbs.

Anyone out there shopped tires for MPG? Yeah I know it's a truck. But I don't want to kill my mileage.

First off what size are you looking at? Without that it's hard to say what to look at. Also Ford never made any 18-in tire for the ranger. Maybe you're talking about the wheel?

As for good tires that are light it will depend on whether you're looking to go off-road or stay on the street. There are plenty of options to look at and we do have some recommendations but we need to find out about a tire size first

 

[Rhino]

Dave,

Depending on what your needs are, I would say take a look at the Toyo Open Country AT3. Using the criteria that was posted above by Zaph, here is what my research has come up with it seems to hit a lot on the plus side, including being a lighter tire:

1. Road noise - Fairly quiet (supposedly one of the more subtle tires given how aggressive looking it is)
2. Street Ride quality - Good balance between street and off road ability
3. Snow traction - 3PMSF (Three-Peak Mountain Snowflake) symbol
4. Off road traction - Again, good balance between street and off road
5. Looks - Aggressive/good looks
6. Gas mileage - Depending on which load range you get/weight (p-rated 265/70/17 comes in at 39 lbs., I believe)
7. Tire life - good 55000/65000 tread life depending on which load range.

From the Toyo Web Site - "The Open Country A/T III all-terrain tire delivers gripping off-road traction with responsive and predictable on-road handling. With a strong focus on wet performance, durability, and treadwear life, and using Toyo’s proprietary T-mode tire development and modeling technologies, Toyo introduces advanced tread design, construction, and compounding. The Open Country A/T III provides a quiet ride with exceptional stability, instilling driving confidence no matter the terrain. Built tough, it offers peace of mind to safely get there and back home, regardless of terrain or weather. With a treadwear warranty of up to 65,000 miles, outdoor adventurers can rely on the Open Country A/T III for the long haul. "

Good Review - https://www.tiredeets.com/toyo-open-country-a-t-iii-review/

I, myself, am looking to pull the trigger on a set of P rated tires with weight being a factor (I do minimal off roading coupled with the fact that the interwoven belt design of even P-rated tires would keep me adequately safe on the "light" off roading). Just need to find a set of Tremor wheels (shameless plug if anyone has them and is willing to part) to pair them up with.

Hope this helps.

V/r
NOMAD

+1 on the ATIII. Toyo's recently built American-made manufacturing process allows them to remove rubber from the tread and shoulders, anywhere it's not needed. That, plus higher quality steel for the belts is why they're a lot lighter than some of the older competition.

You're also going to want to stick with a P-metric. Versus an LT, a P-metric will use thinner, lighter construction, as well as a tighter tread pattern with a higher silica content compound. Benefits there are noise/aero, and wet traction. Downsides are traction on very loose stuff off road, and chipping on gravel.

More here (trigger warning for snowflakes: I wrote this article, it doesn't make sense to repeat a bunch of info I've already written) https://www.outsideonline.com/outdo...ything-you-need-know-about-all-terrain-tires/

And you can see that advantage in specs. A 265/60-18 (stock lariat size) ATIII is 37lbs.

You could go up to a 265/65-18 and stay at 41 lbs (the extra diameter will cost you MPGs)

be warned with toyo they have issues... i had a set... i had belts slip in 3-4 tires within 4k miles.... lots of others i know have ran toyos and they are the tire with the most issues

 

[Count Desmondo]

I'm curious to try the Nokian Outpost AT for my next tires. Not sure if I will go for the LT or not. M+S/ 3 peak can work...the all season variety can be used in fall and spring. In Canada, I wouldn't want anything other than a full winter tire from November to April.

 

[Deleted member 15875]

Unsprung mass is a big deal, not just as it relates to MPG, but how a vehicle accelerates and rides in motion, brakes, etc.

I've been on this journey for several weeks now and have discovered that rims and tires vary widely in terms of weight. I've been looking as some aftermarket 27lb rims to help offset running a larger tire and their added weight.

Toyo's are pretty light compared to some of the others. Tire sizes will also affect the weight. I have OEM 18's on my Lariat as well. I'm not sure of their wieght as they are a different style than yours. I just know they are likely in the 27-32 lbs range.

 

[P. A. Schilke]

I know from experience.... the weight of a wheel/tire combo can have a huge effect on MPG. I've done this for my previous vehicle and current daily driver with excellent results (shopping by weight). The Stock Ford 18" tires for my truck come in at 35 lbs for the tire and 31 lbs for the rim. I'd LIKE to have a better, not necessarily bigger tire on my truck. I like the Nitto's but they are 41.5 lbs for the same size. Some tires go up as much as 65+ lbs.

Anyone out there shopped tires for MPG? Yeah I know it's a truck. But I don't want to kill my mileage.

Hi Dave,

Ford shopped tires for fuel economy for CAFE. There were tires with high Rolling Resistance that we avoided for production due to CAFE. So I cannot help for aftermarket tires as the data is in the Manufacturer's website if it is published.

So CAFE was a driver. Then came Ecoboost and CAFE became a non issue...so Fed Gov't did not like it so tried to tighten the Regulations....and they are still clawing to bring it back to where they are in the driver's seat....

Best,
Phil

 

[OFC Ranger]

I just wish there was more 255/85/17's on the market than the ones that cost $350 a pop.

Yea... there is only one offering on the market period for that size.

 

[LoneRNGR]

My 2020 FX4 came with the Hankook ATM LT265/65R17 tires which were load range C. They weighed 45 lbs each. It really made the truck ride rough and my wife and daughter were whining about it. So I secretly replaced the tires with Hankook AT2 265/70R17 tires which are standard load. They weigh 39 lbs each. They look stock, until put next to a ranger with the stock tires, then they really look beefy. Wife and daughter are happy, but they don't know why.

I have been happy too, but I might replace them with the Hankook AT2 Extreme, which are 40 lbs per tire.

 

[uthunter]

Take a look at the Falken Wildpeak AT3W weight and test results on TireRack. I just put some on a vehicle and am impressed with ride and noise.

They compared them to the Mickey Thompson and Toyo Open Country

https://m.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=293

 

[Deleted member 15875]

Take a look at the Falken Wildpeak AT3W weight and test results on TireRack. I just put some on a vehicle and am impressed with ride and noise.

They compared them to the Mickey Thompson and Toyo Open Country

https://m.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=293

I like the looks of both brands, but aren't the Falken quite a bit heavier? At least from what I remember.

 

[Deleted member 15875]

My 2020 FX4 came with the Hankook ATM LT265/65R17 tires which were load range C. They weighed 45 lbs each. It really made the truck ride rough and my wife and daughter were whining about it. So I secretly replaced the tires with Hankook AT2 265/70R17 tires which are standard load. They weigh 39 lbs each. They look stock, until put next to a ranger with the stock tires, then they really look beefy. Wife and daughter are happy, but they don't know why.

I have been happy too, but I might replace them with the Hankook AT2 Extreme, which are 40 lbs per tire.

Do you have any pics with your AT2 Hankook's? That taller profile of the 70 probably really makes it look beefier? My standard edition Hankook's on my OEM 18's are supposed to be 35 lbs so I've been contemplating going up to the 70's.

 

[DHMag]

You can offset heavier tire weight by switching to lighter rims, that's my plan to minimize mpg loss.

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