Kill switch in 2026?

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Everything government does in the name of Health and or Safety ultimately is a grab for more power and weaken your constitutional rights. I imagine that Ford is working on a way to send a signal to your engine that can shut off your vehicle using Sync. All sync equipped vehicles already keep track via gps.

What if your Key fob (keyless entry) can be programmed to indicate to the motor that your vehicle is off, so that when you depress the brake, the truck turns off? It wouldnt take much to do with a simple line of code. They can even cut power if you drive x amount of miles for the year. Or if you owe tickets. Or if they do not like your speech.
Just look what they want to do with gas stoves. Their reasoning isn't climate change. It's supposedly about indoor air quality that might affect 1 in 100,000 people.
But lets not worry about all the other chemicals used in the house. Those would never cause problems with some ones's health.

Won't mater if they do.

If it can be programmed, it can be un-programmed, or unplugged.

This is like Lowes's new campaign of RFID locked tools that don't get unlocked till purchased. Yea, let me know how that goes.

Shoplifting will stop when they go the old Service Merchandise method of you take a paper tag to the front and after paying you get your tool.
It seems that it would need to be connected to the internet to work, so maybe just pull the modem, but you would lose other connectivity perks. So, it looks like Forscan to the rescue.
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I agree in concept, but in regards to you... what would any law enforcement agency be doing, going after a dancing hotdog! ?

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Same thing they've been doing for several years now. Silencing dissent. Even from a hotdog.
 

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Won't mater if they do.

If it can be programmed, it can be un-programmed, or unplugged.

This is like Lowes's new campaign of RFID locked tools that don't get unlocked till purchased. Yea, let me know how that goes.

Shoplifting will stop when they go the old Service Merchandise method of you take a paper tag to the front and after paying you get your tool.
There used to be a big box chain called La Belle's, and that's how you bought stuff. You went to a catalog desk, selected your item, the clerk entered it into their system, and some time later, your box came down the chute, like baggage at the airport. Awkward process, our local store closed after about three years. Many stores offer pre pay free curbside pickup, now. It could become the only way to buy. Pretty handy for take-out food, actually.
 
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Which tin foil hat theory has been proven wrong? Some are out right Nostradomus style predictions. So now, They signed a law that mandates all new cars have kill switches. That is the opening that is needed to control where you go or how much fuel you can use.

In Oxford England, they are restricting residences from exceeding carbon footprint allocations. They have bollards that will not allow a vehicle to exit a certain perimeter if they have gone over their allotment. England only accounts for 2% of the world's carbon emissions.

In Sweden, there are people who willingly get microchips implanted so that they can open doors, pay for items, start their vehicles, log online, maintain vax status all in the name of health and safety + convenience. Their banking can be cut off by a flip of a switch,

In China, they use a social credit score that is maintained in their cell phone. The govt can shut off services based on whether their citizen is in compliance. They can use that to cut off access to food and medical care, and they have done so. They can use it to determine if you are a "health risk" and forceably take you to a quarantine camp. The WEF applauds this and wants a global credit score in place in less than 7 yrs. It will replace your passport.

So far, the tinfoil hat theories have come true, and fast too.

What would a kill switch do? Circumvent your constitutional right to lawful assembly, worship, pursuit of happiness? The Covid lock downs were a test for compliance. We already know how they have punished those who did not. What do you think this kill switch is for?
 


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Just look what they want to do with gas stoves. Their reasoning isn't climate change. It's supposedly about indoor air quality that might affect 1 in 100,000 people.
But lets not worry about all the other chemicals used in the house. Those would never cause problems with some ones's health.


It seems that it would need to be connected to the internet to work, so maybe just pull the modem, but you would lose other connectivity perks. So, it looks like Forscan to the rescue.
Forscan could send an alert to the Watchers, letting them know that someone is trying to block access. They display a false code saying the code change was successful, even allowing a half dozen or so test reads, then reopen your modem/monitoring program.

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Into your life, it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line
The man come and take you away"
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agree with all except that all the major auto makers already have it. these days the govt killing our trucks is low on my list of things they are doing.. i know tin foil hat lol.
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Forscan could send an alert to the Watchers, letting them know that someone is trying to block access. They display a false code saying the code change was successful, even allowing a half dozen or so test reads, then reopen your modem/monitoring program.

"Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life, it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line
The man come and take you away"
Steven Stills
Why would it? Ford has nothing to do with Forscan. If they did, they wouldn't allow users to switch on premium features, like enabling terrain management and trail control on non-FX4 models, or bypass safety features like enabling Bambi mode.
 

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Which tin foil hat theory has been proven wrong? Some are out right Nostradomus style predictions. So now, Biden signed a law that mandates all new cars have kill switches. That is the opening that is needed to control where you go or how much fuel you can use.

In Oxford England, they are restricting residences from exceeding carbon footprint allocations. They have bollards that will not allow a vehicle to exit a certain perimeter if they have gone over their allotment. England only accounts for 2% of the world's carbon emissions.

In Sweden, there are people who willingly get microchips implanted so that they can open doors, pay for items, start their vehicles, log online, maintain vax status all in the name of health and safety + convenience. Their banking can be cut off by a flip of a switch,

In China, they use a social credit score that is maintained in their cell phone. The govt can shut off services based on whether their citizen is in compliance. They can use that to cut off access to food and medical care, and they have done so. They can use it to determine if you are a "health risk" and forceably take you to a quarantine camp. The WEF applauds this and wants a global credit score in place in less than 7 yrs. It will replace your passport.

So far, the tinfoil hat theories have come true, and fast too.

What would a kill switch do? Circumvent your constitutional right to lawful assembly, worship, pursuit of happiness? The Covid lock downs were a test for compliance. We already know how they have punished those who did not. What do you think this kill switch is for?
Right on...

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Which tin foil hat theory has been proven wrong? Some are out right Nostradomus style predictions. So now, Biden signed a law that mandates all new cars have kill switches. That is the opening that is needed to control where you go or how much fuel you can use.

In Oxford England, they are restricting residences from exceeding carbon footprint allocations. They have bollards that will not allow a vehicle to exit a certain perimeter if they have gone over their allotment. England only accounts for 2% of the world's carbon emissions.

In Sweden, there are people who willingly get microchips implanted so that they can open doors, pay for items, start their vehicles, log online, maintain vax status all in the name of health and safety + convenience. Their banking can be cut off by a flip of a switch,

In China, they use a social credit score that is maintained in their cell phone. The govt can shut off services based on whether their citizen is in compliance. They can use that to cut off access to food and medical care, and they have done so. They can use it to determine if you are a "health risk" and forceably take you to a quarantine camp. The WEF applauds this and wants a global credit score in place in less than 7 yrs. It will replace your passport.

So far, the tinfoil hat theories have come true, and fast too.

What would a kill switch do? Circumvent your constitutional right to lawful assembly, worship, pursuit of happiness? The Covid lock downs were a test for compliance. We already know how they have punished those who did not. What do you think this kill switch is for?
And as soon as someone says 'That will never happen here", it happens here. Another requirement is to have manufactures install devices to cut down on DUI.
The government will pose it as solution to a national health and safety issue. "We want interlocks and kill switches to prevent DWI's and reduce car thefts", is how it starts. The next thing you know "We disabled your vehicle due to an inappropriate post that poses a security threat". or "Your neighbor say you drink too much, so we disabled your car for safety".
No due process needed.

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I don't wear a tin foil hat. That shit is too weak for todays government mind control rays. Therefore, mine is titanium.
 

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Which tin foil hat theory has been proven wrong? Some are out right Nostradomus style predictions. So now, Biden signed a law that mandates all new cars have kill switches. That is the opening that is needed to control where you go or how much fuel you can use.
Literally the first google result of "all new cars required to have kill switch?" is this:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-402773429497

I don't want to get into a political argument on this forum, but it's worth pointing out that your assertion that all new cars will have a kill switch that the government or law enforcement has access to is completely false. Don't take my word for it though:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/infrastructure-bill-track-drivers/

https://www.verifythis.com/article/...deal/536-812f84e6-cbb1-4b29-bfab-6dc0d47159c9

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...le-technology-coming-stop-impaired-drivers-i/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...switch-cars-police-drunk-driving/11066287002/
 

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They should be able to come up with passive technology to determine impaired driving, whether that's drunk driving, sleepiness and let's hope texting while driving.
But what is the next step?
What happens when the system determines impaired driving? Does it slow down the vehicle to a stop in the middle of the road? And then what? Let the driver sleep it off until he can drive safely again?
" None of the technologies currently in development would notify law enforcement of the data collected inside vehicles or give government agencies remote control of vehicles, according to Jeffrey Michael, a researcher at Johns Hopkins University’s Center for Injury Research and Policy."
Let's see how quickly that will change once the tech is implemented.
 

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Literally the first google result of "all new cars required to have kill switch?" is this:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-402773429497

I don't want to get into a political argument on this forum, but it's worth pointing out that your assertion that all new cars will have a kill switch that the government or law enforcement has access to is completely false. Don't take my word for it though:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/infrastructure-bill-track-drivers/

https://www.verifythis.com/article/...deal/536-812f84e6-cbb1-4b29-bfab-6dc0d47159c9

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...le-technology-coming-stop-impaired-drivers-i/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...switch-cars-police-drunk-driving/11066287002/
Not according to these articles dated 12/22. It's in the infrastructure bill. BTW Snopes really isn't a trusted source. :wink:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/tech...tall-kill-switches-in-all-new-cars/ar-AASt1Th

https://autos.yahoo.com/law-install...yoA;_ylu=Y29sbwNncTEEcG9zAzIEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Ny


hidden away in the recently passed infrastructure bill, the very one I warned before would negatively impact drivers across the country if it were to pass, is a measure to install vehicle kill switches into every new car, truck, and SUV sold in this country. The regulation likely won’t be enforced for five years, so maybe there’s time to do something about this.

It gets even better: Barr points out that the bill, which has been signed into law states that the kill switch, which is referred to as a safety device, must “passively monitor the performance of a driver of a motor vehicle to accurately identify whether that driver may be impaired.” In other words, Big Brother will constantly be monitoring how you drive. If you do something the system has been programmed to recognize as driver impairment, your car could just shut off, which could be incredibly dangerous.


There is the possibility the kill switch program might measure your driving as impaired, then when you try to start the car up again the engine won’t fire up. That would potentially leave you stranded.

But wait, there’s more. This kill switch “safety” system would be open, or in other words there would be a backdoor. That would allow police or other government authorities to access it whenever. Would they need a warrant to do that? Likely not. Even better, hackers could access the backdoor and shut down your vehicle.
 

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Not according to these articles dated 12/22. It's in the infrastructure bill. BTW Snopes really isn't a trusted source. :wink:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/tech...tall-kill-switches-in-all-new-cars/ar-AASt1Th

https://autos.yahoo.com/law-install...yoA;_ylu=Y29sbwNncTEEcG9zAzIEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Ny

EDIT: I quoted the snopes article in my original posting, but missed your claim that Snopes Is not trusted, so I've removed it in this response. I referenced a bunch more other articles in my original post above though... from what I consider to be trusted sources. But everyone has their own opinions on who you can and cannot trust.

However: all I'm saying is that to claim the legislation requires a kill switch that is accessible to law enforcement is completely false.

But heck, rather than reading multiple articles that pontificate about what they think the legislation means for their own agendas, go read the law yourself - hit this URL, and search in your browser for the word "drunk":
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3684/text
 
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However: all I'm saying is that to claim the legislation requires a kill switch that is accessible to law enforcement is completely false.
Sure that's what they say....For now.
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