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I really do not understand why fake motor noise injected in my audio - when I have adjusted volume compensation - ever made it into and out of Ford engineering. I'd want to delete this as much as auto-start.
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Interesting..what is the significance of the rear speaker wires entering the B pillar from the rear?
Well maybe the thinking is since the wires come front the rear the processing comes from the rear, but I think it's just the way the amp is situated in the vehicle in the center, and the main wire loom is run down the center.

I really do not understand why fake motor noise injected in my audio - when I have adjusted volume compensation - ever made it into and out of Ford engineering. I'd want to delete this as much as auto-start.
It's because today's noise and emissions laws have quieted all vehicles down to the point that basically the only sound they make is a dull woosh. So inside the cabin, the makers injected a fake engine sound, to make it sound more like the old days. A shocking number of vehicles do this to trick buyers into thinking they have some decent engine performance. Because half of the feeling of your butt pinned to the seat is the sound in your ears. It's just sensory tricks.
 

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I’m still not convinced it’s really there.
 
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I’m still not convinced it’s really there.
It's designed to trick you, not be obvious or annoying. If it were obvious, it would be something like the soundracer android app. Pick your outrageous engine, connect your phone to your stereo with bluetooth and go drive your new V10.

 

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I’m still not convinced it’s really there.
I completely agree. If it's present, I don't notice.

This is one of those things that there are completely opposite opinions. Some insist it exists, and some don't.

I don't notice any piped in sound.
 


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Sit tight guys, I'll get you your proof eventually. This thread isn't a place to debate if something exists, it's a place to discuss getting rid of it. For a lot of us it's pretty obvious. If the fronts run clean as @User79 suggests, we need to know so we can pull our signal from there.

My intention is to take my laptop which has some audio measurement gear, real time analyzer and an input, and run the front and back speakers into it individually and record what's going on without the radio on to isolate the signal. If there's some vroom vroom there I'll post it for you. You'll be able to play it back on your headphones and see just how your truck is tricking you. If there's not, subject over and we have unexpectedly nice sounding engines inside our trucks... but still suspiciously quiet outside.

My intention is to drive a little at mid throttle settings, and then full throttle, and do both front and rear separately.
 

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I’m still not convinced it’s really there.
I'm with you...if it's really there, it so subtle which is ok with me...is this a Lariot thing with B&O? I have standard XLT...all's I've every noticed on WOT is a cool beat coming from the rear but I can't tell is that's the MBRP doing it's thing...
 

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If the stereo is off the sounds would still there, correct?
 

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Sit tight guys, I'll get you your proof eventually. This thread isn't a place to debate if something exists, it's a place to discuss getting rid of it. For a lot of us it's pretty obvious. If the fronts run clean as @User79 suggests, we need to know so we can pull our signal from there.

My intention is to take my laptop which has some audio measurement gear, real time analyzer and an input, and run the front and back speakers into it individually and record what's going on without the radio on to isolate the signal. If there's some vroom vroom there I'll post it for you. You'll be able to play it back on your headphones and see just how your truck is tricking you. If there's not, subject over and we have unexpectedly nice sounding engines inside our trucks... but still suspiciously quiet outside.

My intention is to drive a little at mid throttle settings, and then full throttle, and do both front and rear separately.
All due respect...if it doesn't exist, how can you get rid of it? Many of us don't hear it.
 

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I'm with you...if it's really there, it so subtle which is ok with me...is this a Lariot thing with B&O? I have standard XLT...all's I've every noticed on WOT is a cool beat coming from the rear but I can't tell is that's the MBRP doing it's thing...
I have a Lariat with B&O. I hear no engine modified sound. All I hear is the 2.3L doing its job... Windows up or down, radio on or off. No change.
 

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I looked though the Sync 3 shop manual (415-00B), The only microphone listed is labeled "Voice Microphone". The description says it's for voice commands and hands free calling so I think It's safe to say there is no ANC (Active Noise Cancellation) like the Mustang has. The manual can be found here: https://www.ranger5g.com/forum/threads/2019-ranger-technical-shop-manuals.1548/#post-15503

It might have Fake Engine Noise, I Know the F150"s have it in the Lariat and higher trim level with the V-6 engines. It can be shut off with Forscan or by the dealer. This video shows how to test for it, as well as how to determine whether or not you need a line out converter. This is important because high level,speaker level,low level and line level are ambiguous terms, every manufacturer has a different idea as to what they mean. You really need to measure the ac output voltage of the head unit and compare it to the input voltage or input sensitivity rating of your amp or dsp. If you just want to see the tests watch part 1 until 12:00 and part2 starting at 18:25.


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If the RTA readings are anything like what he shows at the end of the second video you'll want to tap the front speakers for your signal. On the F150 forums a lot of people use either the FOR-11CK or the CARAV 12-240 tee harness to tap into the speaker wires without cutting the factory harness, you just unplug the harness at the back of the ACM and plug the tee harness inline then wire your amp in. As far as I know nobody has tried either of those on a ranger but they work on a most new Fords without B&O systems.


This one shows how to get the dash apart:



Just watch it until he starts pulling the screen out. You'll have to pull the ACM to access the speaker wires, it sits right below the screen/APIM. You probably won't have to remove the screen to get the ACM out.
 
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If the stereo is off the sounds would still there, correct?
Yes. Power would have to be pulled on the amp to get rid of it.

All due respect...if it doesn't exist, how can you get rid of it? Many of us don't hear it.
If it doesn't exist, there's no getting rid of real engine/exhaust noise obviously. Also, things may be different with the B&O system, I don't know. I have the 301A package with the 8" screen and no sub in back. Just a note: I'm ready to eat my foot if there is no enhanced engine sound and that is true engine exhaust sound. :D

@CCRanger thanks for the post. Sheesh, if a dealer could disable the fake engine noise for us, that would put an end to this discussion real fast wouldn't it. I think I'll ask. Forscan Experts: sound off if it's a possibility. My brother has one to mess with his Explorer, I'm going to ask him about it.

At 18:25 of that 2nd video, it's not clear if that pink noise is right off the amplifier feed or if it's from a mic in the cabin. It's also not clear what the line deviation is on those RTA's he's using, 3db, 6, 10 or whatever. If they are amplifier feeds, I'm blown away by how non-flat they are, unless this vehicle is purposely compensated for speaker deficiencies in the preamp. The majority of amps I've tested in my life have close to straight line response. On the other hand, if it's mic'd cabin response, that's pretty damn impressive. I would expect wild swings in the response curve. The other issue: He says he's using pink noise. I think he means white noise. Pink noise would not look like that on the RTA.
 

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Yes. Power would have to be pulled on the amp to get rid of it.


If it doesn't exist, there's no getting rid of real engine/exhaust noise obviously. Also, things may be different with the B&O system, I don't know. I have the 301A package with the 8" screen and no sub in back. Just a note: I'm ready to eat my foot if there is no enhanced engine sound and that is true engine exhaust sound. :D

@CCRanger thanks for the post. Sheesh, if a dealer could disable the fake engine noise for us, that would put an end to this discussion real fast wouldn't it. I think I'll ask. Forscan Experts: sound off if it's a possibility. My brother has one to mess with his Explorer, I'm going to ask him about it.

At 18:25 of that 2nd video, it's not clear if that pink noise is right off the amplifier feed or if it's from a mic in the cabin. It's also not clear what the line deviation is on those RTA's he's using, 3db, 6, 10 or whatever. If they are amplifier feeds, I'm blown away by how non-flat they are, unless this vehicle is purposely compensated for speaker deficiencies in the preamp. The majority of amps I've tested in my life have close to straight line response. On the other hand, if it's mic'd cabin response, that's pretty damn impressive. I would expect wild swings in the response curve. The other issue: He says he's using pink noise. I think he means white noise. Pink noise would not look like that on the RTA.
Lol. Don't eat your foot... you'll need it to have fun with the Ranger.
 
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Just sent an email to SafeWireless on Amazon to see if they know if their FOR-11CK harness works for the Ranger.
 

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When you get the phantom sound out you may want it back. LOL
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