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I don't think it's the exact same transmission. Someone posted here that it's a little different and might also use a different torque converter. Methinks it's based on the 10R80 design but modified a bit for the vehicle it's put in. I'm betting it's a different tune also, as no F-150 drives anything like my Ranger (shift quality is totally different) and those 10 speeds are like butter.
It would be good to know for sure, but my understanding was the trans was EXACTLY the same as the F-150s - different torque converter and different software I could see, but the trans itself I'm pretty sure is the same.

So much is controlled by software these days so it is entirely possible the combination of the torque converter and software is to blame for these issues.
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My understanding is that the transmission in the 5G Ranger is the same one used in the F-150s - it seems like it is overbuilt for what it is required to do. I don't hear about tons of issues with the 10R80s in F-150s - or am I just not looking in the right place? This transmission is in a TON of vehicles - both Ford and Chevy.
I believe I read another post recently that mentioned that even though the model number is the same between the ranger and f150 trans, that some components have different part numbers. Which would indicate they are not identical across vehicles. Regardless, some of us are indeed having transmission problems. The dealership service techs found parts need to be replaced, I trust them. They have no financial incentive to spend money person hours and parts if there was nothing wrong.
 

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theres three clutch packs that have 1 less clutch disk. we have 4 where others have 5.
what does it mean? thicker disk material for longer life? less available friction area? I dunno.
 

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I believe I read another post recently that mentioned that even though the model number is the same between the ranger and f150 trans, that some components have different part numbers. Which would indicate they are not identical across vehicles. Regardless, some of us are indeed having transmission problems. The dealership service techs found parts need to be replaced, I trust them. They have no financial incentive to spend money person hours and parts if there was nothing wrong.
As far as I know, the Trannys are the same, there are two other transmissions based on the 10r80, the 10r60 which is a lighter-duty model, and the 10r140 which is the heavy-duty model. The new 6g ranger is getting the 10r60.
 
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Truck is at the dealer for transmission work. When I asked qhat exactly was being done to it I was told that it's possible it may only need a transmission sensor replaced but that if that doesn't fix it, it may need a whole new transmission. The gave me a loaner expedition to drive while they have my ranger. No idea how long it will take but they did the initial rental loaner for through the 14th of this months. Guess I won't know more until repairs are done. When I drove the track to the service center, the transmission was clunking HARD into the lower gears and hesitating for several seconds going out of park and into reverse or drive.
 


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Truck is at the dealer for transmission work. When I asked qhat exactly was being done to it I was told that it's possible it may only need a transmission sensor replaced but that if that doesn't fix it, it may need a whole new transmission. The gave me a loaner expedition to drive while they have my ranger. No idea how long it will take but they did the initial rental loaner for through the 14th of this months. Guess I won't know more until repairs are done. When I drove the track to the service center, the transmission was clunking HARD into the lower gears and hesitating for several seconds going out of park and into reverse or drive.
Your symptoms and experience sounds very very similar to mine. There have been recent TSB's for these issues. I just had mine repaired and it feels great.

Check out this thread: https://www.ranger5g.com/forum/threads/2022-transmission-needs-overhaul-just-left-the-dealer.26659/

Also check out TSB 23-2250. Those issues match your description. After testing for codes, step 1 should be to inspect the valve body for sticky valves. If it's not the valve body (mine was found to have sticky valves and low pressure), then step 2 is replacing the CDF clutch cylinder.

When you go back, they should have tested the transmission per the instructions in that TSB....and that should be listed on the invoice. If they don't mention the TSB, then you need to find another dealer.
 
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Your symptoms and experience sounds very very similar to mine. There have been recent TSB's for these issues. I just had mine repaired and it feels great.

Check out this thread: https://www.ranger5g.com/forum/threads/2022-transmission-needs-overhaul-just-left-the-dealer.26659/

Also check out TSB 23-2250. Those issues match your description. After testing for codes, step 1 should be to inspect the valve body for sticky valves. If it's not the valve body (mine was found to have sticky valves and low pressure), then step 2 is replacing the CDF clutch cylinder.

When you go back, they should have tested the transmission per the instructions in that TSB....and that should be listed on the invoice. If they don't mention the TSB, then you need to find another dealer.
If they replace the entire transmission, I won't mind. If they just do that sensor and call it fixed, I'll take further action.
 
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UPDATE:

Picked up my truck this evening. Work done is as outlined in the attached picture.
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On the drive home I did a little sport mode driving after the engine was warmed up all the way. Truck behavior is the same to me as when I dropped it off. Transmission overhaul at 22k miles? Yeah, I'm not happy about this and the ra t that it is still clunking in and out of several gears. I'm going to unload this giant disappointing lump of junk and get something else. I need something that can tow my camper ~6k miles a year without letting me down or having to go into service for over a week for some overhaul or another.

I'm done with the ranger. Going to have to do some serious research on what to replace it with. On the bright side, it looks like I should get quite a nice price for it. No lean either.
 

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UPDATE:

Picked up my truck this evening. Work done is as outlined in the attached picture.
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On the drive home I did a little sport mode driving after the engine was warmed up all the way. Truck behavior is the same to me as when I dropped it off. Transmission overhaul at 22k miles? Yeah, I'm not happy about this and the ra t that it is still clunking in and out of several gears. I'm going to unload this giant disappointing lump of junk and get something else. I need something that can tow my camper ~6k miles a year without letting me down or having to go into service for over a week for some overhaul or another.

I'm done with the ranger. Going to have to do some serious research on what to replace it with. On the bright side, it looks like I should get quite a nice price for it. No lean either.
they didn't specify the adaptive learn was completed again after the overhaul.
I would assume they did it, but perhaps they didn't.
Give it a bit of time before you throw in the towel just in case.
The Ranger hands down outshines any of the competition when you have a primo transmission, a good battery, a slightly lowered bed for easier access and no TG damper.
 
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they didn't specify the adaptive learn was completed again after the overhaul.
I would assume they did it, but perhaps they didn't.
Give it a bit of time before you throw in the towel just in case.
The Ranger hands down outshines any of the competition when you have a primo transmission, a good battery, a slightly lowered bed for easier access and no TG damper.
What I experienced on the drive home was exactly the symptoms that lead to me taking it in, I don't see how a simple relearn could be the cause of such obvious issues. These aren't just feeling a slightly hard shift, it is clunking so bad it literally feels like being rear-ended. As for the competition, I won't be getting a compact/small truck. It'll be a full size with proven reliability. Heck, as much as I dislike how the Tacoma drives, they have earned their reputation in the small truck segment. In hindsight I should've just went with a Tacoma instead of the Ranger but the turbo pulled me in. It's time for me to do some reading and go on some full size truck test drives.
 

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I'm curious then how the tech came up with the "operating as designed" comment at the end then.
Two vastly different opinions.

Taking it to an independent trans shop and get an unbiased opinion would be my next step. I wouldn't be able to trust myself with my own opinion if I was angry either, and we know the mechanic has a desire to cover his ass if he dicked up somewhere.

I too am looking closely at the full size segment again, my needs are changing and I may need the towing capabilities pumped up considerably.
 
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Well thats disappointing as hell ?, did they replace the drum ? I have a 21 with bad shifts and was hoping the drum would fix it , changed drums in 22'S I believe...
Not sure. I imagine they would have put it in the work done description if they changed such a component. My biggest concern is how much I tow and that thise same parts or others will just go bad again. Next time it could fail catastrophically, when I am far from home towing a trailer. Not what I want. 22k miles and the transmission is falling apart is very shitty in my book. If it happened once it's likely to happen again.
 
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I'm curious then how the tech came up with the "operating as designed" comment at the end then.
Two vastly different opinions.

Taking it to an independent trans shop and get an unbiased opinion would be my next step. I wouldn't be able to trust myself with my own opinion if I was angry either, and we know the mechanic has a desire to cover his ass if he dicked up somewhere.

I too am looking closely at the full size segment again, my needs are changing and I may need the towing capabilities pumped up considerably.
This work was covered under warranty. I really have no interest in spending money for a second opinion. Regardless if it is "operating as designed" now or not, it still fell to shit after only 22k miles. I'm just going to sell it and get something different.
 

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I'm curious then how the tech came up with the "operating as designed" comment at the end then.
Two vastly different opinions.

Taking it to an independent trans shop and get an unbiased opinion would be my next step. I wouldn't be able to trust myself with my own opinion if I was angry either, and we know the mechanic has a desire to cover his ass if he dicked up somewhere.

I too am looking closely at the full size segment again, my needs are changing and I may need the towing capabilities pumped up considerably.
"operating as designed" is code for "not my problem"...
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