2022 transmission needs "overhaul" - just left the dealer.

[CJBax]

That's not fortune, that is being financially responsible. Today's kids are graduating college with $100k debt for a $40k year job.



Jeez, what a worry wart. I bet you stop at green lights just in case someone is coming the other way.
The transmission issues are not as bad as it is made out to be on this forum. No denying people have problems, but it's still less than 1% of all Rangers.
IIRC, Ford can only deny a warranty if it can be shown that the tune was the cause of failure.

??? yeah, I'm a bit of a worry wart. I just dropped the truck off today to have the transmission investigated because it's been clunking when coming to a quick stop and hesitating when shifting out of park and clunking when it does go into drive or reverse. Was told they'll have it at least until Tuesday to try and reproduce the issues. As far as the warranty burden of proof goes, legally they only need to show that it is reasonable to assume that the tune at least partly contributed to the issue. Making the power train handle more power than the manufacturer intended falls well into that category. Folks tend to think that the proof thing means they can do whatever they want, put NOS in it, and that the guarantor most go through some forensic process that definitively shows the cause was the modification. In arbitration or in court, showing evidence that the user operated the vehicle with more power than the system was designed for is enough for an arbitrator, judge, or jury to say that reasonably, the modifications likely at least contributed to the issue.

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[Jason B]

??? yeah, I'm a bit of a worry wart. I just dropped the truck off today to have the transmission investigated because it's been clunking when coming to a quick stop and hesitating when shifting out of park and clunking when it does go into drive or reverse. Was told they'll have it at least until Tuesday to try and reproduce the issues. As far as the warranty burden of proof goes, legally they only need to show that it is reasonable to assume that the tune at least partly contributed to the issue. Making the power train handle more power than the manufacturer intended falls well into that category. Folks tend to think that the proof thing means they can do whatever they want, put NOS in it, and that the guarantor most go through some forensic process that definitively shows the cause was the modification. In arbitration or in court, showing evidence that the user operated the vehicle with more power than the system was designed for is enough for an arbitrator, judge, or jury to say that reasonably, the modifications likely at least contributed to the issue.

I didn't realize that you are already experiencing transmission problems. I thought you wanted to trade it off IN CASE you have trans problems. Your symptoms sound more like a slip yoke needed lube rather than transmission. Let's see what the shop says.

 

[CJBax]

I didn't realize that you are already experiencing transmission problems. I thought you wanted to trade it off IN CASE you have trans problems. Your symptoms sound more like a slip yoke needed lube rather than transmission. Let's see what the shop says.

Yeah, I didn't make that clear in my post. My bad. Also, I just went through the terms of the lifetime power train warranty and it has a clause that specifically says user reprogramming of the ecu voids the warranty coverage. So it looks like I fucked up and basically trashed the whole extended warranty. Damn. Live and hopefully learn I guess.

 

[AghastVenus1]

So just got back from my dealership. Asked if there was a transmission tech I could talk to about my concern and the guy at the desk asked what the problem was. I explained everything to him; mentioned the hard shifts, the TSB, the part redesigns, everything. Guy at the desk said he didn't know the mechanics of it (he's a desk worker) but he had heard of something like that before and he would talk to their transmission tech.

Fast forward, my oil change is done and he's taking my payment. Said he talked to the tech, described everything I described, and the tech knew exactly the issue being described. So fingers crossed he's dealt with it before. The soonest they can get me in to get the ball rolling is first week of December, but I'm probably going to push it until after the holidays when there isn't so much going on.

 

[MarioCart]

. Said he talked to the tech, described everything I described, and the tech knew exactly the issue being described. So fingers crossed he's dealt with it before. The soonest they can get me in to get the ball rolling is first week of December, but I'm probably going to push it until after the holidays when there isn't so much going on.

do you know what his plans are on dealing with it?

 

[AghastVenus1]

do you know what his plans are on dealing with it?

The way he was talking about it made it sound like they're just gonna go and fix it. They still have to go through the TSB, but basically once they verify it's that issue they're just gonna order the parts and fix it.

 

[Blmpkn]

I swear I've read there's a way to erase evidence of flashing in forscan.. dunno if it was here or on the bronco page or what.. but I've definitely read it.


Might also just be hearsay too ?‍

 

[Zaph]

so ive had a few hard shifts but ive also noticed if i leave my truck alone for a few hours and go out and start it (without remote start) and just put it in gear to go it will rev up to a few k and not move but an inch until it warms up? i havent taken mine in yet since i only have one vehicle thats driveable and im only at 22k miles...

This thread has a lot of pages already, but your comment has me wondering about something.

I never had any problems, or even anything that resembles "bad feel". But one thing I do routinely is warm my truck up before I go. And not just in the winter when I want a warm truck, or heat of mid summer when I want a blast of AC... all year. Before work I hit the remote start on the key fob while I'm getting my lunch ready and it has 5 minutes. Leaving work it has slightly less because I'm already walking towards the truck, but it's still a good 3-4 minutes before I'm rolling.

I'm at "high miles" now. Over 50K on my 2019. Not one hint of a tranny problem, but almost always warmed up before I go. Something to think about...

 

[airline tech]

I swear I've read there's a way to erase evidence of flashing in forscan.. dunno if it was here or on the bronco page or what.. but I've definitely read it.


Might also just be hearsay too ?‍

If you Google -GSB 22-7077, Published May 23, 2022
It provides a detailed direction for the Ford Technician, with regard to warranty issues and tunes.
This is the main clue that they will look at, if needed. The GSB does not direct any further except checking DTC codes on the software side of it.
The rest of the inspections are damage inspections of parts and visible install or modification of parts.
It is a very informative documentation.

If you read through the GSB, it is ALL about denying warranty.

So, this means that those who reflash back to stock prior to dealer visit, this will be seen.
They do not mention it here, but I am sure there are other ways to detect such as PCM flash counter.
I am sure if the dealer suspects a tune, and you are looking for it to be covered under warranty, they will dig deeper into the software programming and look for clues.

I view it this way, If the Tune caused the failure and it was not on the approved Tune list then the owner eats the cost.
However, proving the Tune caused it, is not something the Dealer and Or Ford is going to do, if there is evidence of a tune, they are going to take the easy way out and say unauthorized tune installed, warranty denied.
BUT this is all dependent on What Failed, The Tech, The Dealer and then Ford.

 

[Rhino]

This thread has a lot of pages already, but your comment has me wondering about something.

I never had any problems, or even anything that resembles "bad feel". But one thing I do routinely is warm my truck up before I go. And not just in the winter when I want a warm truck, or heat of mid summer when I want a blast of AC... all year. Before work I hit the remote start on the key fob while I'm getting my lunch ready and it has 5 minutes. Leaving work it has slightly less because I'm already walking towards the truck, but it's still a good 3-4 minutes before I'm rolling.

I'm at "high miles" now. Over 50K on my 2019. Not one hint of a tranny problem, but almost always warmed up before I go. Something to think about...

ive warmed it up every morning... after i shower i turn it on and let it idle as i take care of the dog and getting food for work. after work i always start it with my phone and i have a pretty good walk down from my work to the parking lot... so ya the turd is started every time and sometimes it will still not work right... ive also had it where i drove home parked it for 30mins and went to go somewhere and it then wouldnt move so i left it and took my bike...

 

[MountainGoat]

If you Google -GSB 22-7077, Published May 23, 2022
It provides a detailed direction for the Ford Technician, with regard to warranty issues and tunes.
This is the main clue that they will look at, if needed. The GSB does not direct any further except checking DTC codes on the software side of it.
The rest of the inspections are damage inspections of parts and visible install or modification of parts.
It is a very informative documentation.

If you read through the GSB, it is ALL about denying warranty.

So, this means that those who reflash back to stock prior to dealer visit, this will be seen.
They do not mention it here, but I am sure there are other ways to detect such as PCM flash counter.
I am sure if the dealer suspects a tune, and you are looking for it to be covered under warranty, they will dig deeper into the software programming and look for clues.

I view it this way, If the Tune caused the failure and it was not on the approved Tune list then the owner eats the cost.
However, proving the Tune caused it, is not something the Dealer and Or Ford is going to do, if there is evidence of a tune, they are going to take the easy way out and say unauthorized tune installed, warranty denied.
BUT this is all dependent on What Failed, The Tech, The Dealer and then Ford.

Almost sounds like you could get away with it if you tuned the truck right off the lot.

 

[pbethel]

Almost sounds like you could get away with it if you tuned the truck right off the lot.

But when you remove the tune to claim warranty repair won't it reset the ignition counter?
The longer the tune was there before removal the more obvious it would be?

 

[Blmpkn]

All you gotta do is sit there for an hour constantly turning the truck on and off to get the ignition cycle count up ?

 

[MountainGoat]

But when you remove the tune to claim warranty repair won't it reset the ignition counter?
The longer the tune was there before removal the more obvious it would be?

Don't remove it, just tell them it's the Ford Tune (Livernois), leave it in, fake some paperwork. Hell you can even make an entry in the Fordpass app. Not much chance of it actually working but it's worth a shot. Unless you actually feel bad for poor Ford and don't want to be dishonest with them getting the lemon transmission fixed.

 

[pbethel]

I guess my problem is that my stint at a NAPA store I saw so much cheating the system.
As an example: a local teenager with a well off doting Dad who was a big customer of our store; owned a body shop, liked to turbo his Japanese 4 banger with insane amounts of boost.
He blew up his engine.
We sold him a Jasper rebuild that was only warrantied with stock turbo. Of course that one blew up too.
Warranty replacement they sent back as defective when he somehow broke the block casting bolting on the starter.
Replaced that one only to have them claim another one blew up with "stock" turbo.
Jasper replaced it. Again.
Then he totaled the car. It was a small town. Everyone knew what was happening.

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