PPE standard or deep

[Captaintacoz101]

I'm gearing up to do the first transmission fluid service at 30k, and I already have a Fitzstick ready to install and I want a PPE pan too but wanted to see if I should do standard or deep fill?

Not too concerned about it but I am still under powertrain warranty, I know Ford doesn't care about the Fitzstick but would they care about a deeper pan?

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[Colo_Ranger]

I've never understood the desire for a deeper pan. That being said, Ford can't complain about a larger pan, as long as the fluid level is correct.

 

[ctechbob]

Deeper pan is just more fluid to change when it comes time to change it out. They'll both give you around a 10 degree temp drop at times. I never really felt the need for the extra capacity, even working the truck hard.

 

[Frenchy]

No real need for the deep pan. Stick with the standard pan. Technically it does add a little bit of fluid, but not much.

 

[TJC]

Having successfully gone through 10R80 hell and managing to nurse the original transmission back to a functioning state, I find myself gun shy. I went with the PPE Deep pan. I figure any edge I can get is a step in the right direction. All things being equal, I can go 13.7% further between fluid changes or alternatively have cleaner fluid when I do change it. At a cost of $6 for an extra quart at rockauto.

But then again, I skirted disaster and saved my transmission by changing the fluid and adding LubeGard Platinum. The experience was quite unpleasant.

I do NOT wish to find myself in that situation again. Did I say I was gun shy?

The 10R80 with the Ford pan holds 12.8 Qts
The 10R80 with the PPE pan holds 13.55 Qts ~5.8% more fluid
The 10R80 with the PPE Deep pan holds 14.55 Qts ~13.7% more fluid

Either PPE pan is better than the Ford pan.

 

[My12SecRanger]

I am with TJC if you upgrade go all the way, I plan to install the deep pan when I upgrade

 

[Frenchy]

I am with TJC if you upgrade go all the way, I plan to install the deep pan when I upgrade

I disagree. Why you ask? Simply for the fact that you want the transmission filter to pull from the bottom of the pan. With the deep pan you don't get a filter that will pull from the bottom of the pan. Because of that it would be better to have the standard replacement pan. You will have less chance of starvation of the pump if fluid levels were to be low for any kind of reason. Also you already get more fins for cooling on the standard pan and you're already have the drain plug. No real need for the deep pin.

 

[TJC]

I disagree. Why you ask? Simply for the fact that you want the transmission filter to pull from the bottom of the pan. With the deep pan you don't get a filter that will pull from the bottom of the pan. Because of that it would be better to have the standard replacement pan. You will have less chance of starvation of the pump if fluid levels were to be low for any kind of reason. Also you already get more fins for cooling on the standard pan and you're already have the drain plug. No real need for the deep pin.

The fluid levels are identical in all three pans, and the filter is sitting at the same fluid depth in each pan.

A case can be made that the shallower the pan the more contaminates will be drawn into the filter as those metal particulates sink to the bottom of the pan.

 

[Frenchy]

The fluid levels are identical in all three pans, and the filter is sitting at the same fluid depth in each pan.

A case can be made that the shallower the pan the more contaminates will be drawn into the filter as those metal particulates sink to the bottom of the pan.

Perhaps you missed the fact that I stated fluid starvation is more likely with the deep pan if there is a leak? This is due to the filter not being close to the bottom of the pan. That is why it is better to stick with the standard pan. It would be a different story if there was a filter option to for the deeper pan. It's nothing new and vehicle manufacturers did this in the past when a deeper pan was used.

 

[TJC]

Perhaps you missed the fact that I stated fluid starvation is more likely with the deep pan if there is a leak? This is due to the filter not being close to the bottom of the pan. That is why it is better to stick with the standard pan. It would be a different story if there was a filter option to for the deeper pan. It's nothing new and vehicle manufacturers did this in the past when a deeper pan was used.

I didn't miss your your presumption. The exposure is identical in all cases. The filter sits at the same fluid depth in each pan. The volume of fluid above the filter is identical as are the pan dimensions at that level.

If there is a leak, the fluid level drops at the same rate in each case.

 

[Frenchy]

I didn't miss your your presumption. The exposure is identical in all cases. The filter sits at the same fluid depth in each pan. The volume of fluid above the filter is identical as are the pan dimensions at that level.

If there is a leak, the fluid level drops at the same rate in each case.

And what about below the filter? How much you want to put on the line that the deep pan is at the same exact level as the standard pan at its lowest point? I'm talking about when the fluid is below the filter, not above it. You are clearly not understanding

 

[TJC]

If the fluid is not at or below the filter, the fluid will not be pumped up into the transmission. Once the fluid drops below the intake inlet of the filter it is game over. And that inlet level is identical in each pan. It is based upon the valve body and filter depth into the fluid.

In short the exact same volume of fluid is available to the filter inlet in all 3 pans.... as the pan dimensions are the same. Same width, and length, and same depth down to the bottom of the Ford Stock pan.

I don't know how to explain it any clearer.

 

[Frenchy]

If the fluid is not at or below the filter, the fluid will not be pumped up into the transmission. Once the fluid drops below the intake inlet of the filter it is game over. And that inlet level is identical in each pan. It is based upon the valve body and filter depth into the fluid.

In short the exact same volume of fluid is available to the filter inlet in all 3 pans.... as the pan dimensions are the same. Same width, and length, and same depth down to the bottom of the Ford Stock pan.

I don't know how to explain it any clearer.

Except the deep pan sits lower making it easier to have said failure. That is why it shouldn't be used..... How could each pan be a different capacity if it's the same dimensions?

 

[TJC]

Let me further clarify any miscommunication on my part...

Same width, and length, and same depth down to the bottom of the Ford Stock pan. The fluid volume is essentially identical down to the bottom level of the Ford stock pan in both PPE pans.

Re: "Except the deep pan sits lower making it easier to have said failure."

Here is a forum member's picture of the PPE deep pan installed. It is tucked up well out of the way of danger. I am running the deep pan as well, but didn't take a picture of it installed.

 

[Frenchy]

Let me further clarify any miscommunication on my part...

Same width, and length, and same depth down to the bottom of the Ford Stock pan. The fluid volume is essentially identical down to the bottom level of the Ford stock pan in both PPE pans.

Re: "Except the deep pan sits lower making it easier to have said failure."

Here is a forum member's picture of the PPE deep pan installed. It is tucked up well out of the way of danger. I am running the deep pan as well, but didn't take a picture of it installed.

And because of the depth of the deep pan and the filter not matching the depth, I would highly not recommend running it. If there was a filter to match the depth then it wouldn't be as much of an issue

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