Tesla semi issues and limited range

[Bsthroop]

This article speaks of infotainment problems but only briefly mentions the stated 425 mile range versus the actual 100 miles. Could this be why they need towing?

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/why-are-tesla-semi-trucks-stranded-by-the-roadside/

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[puckdodger]

I had a Volt before the Ranger and in order to get the advertised mileage from a charge, well, things needed to line up just so. Excess weight was a range killer, as is using climate controls, and hilly terrain. Another huge influence is driver behavior. Aggressive acceleration, while it's a lot of fun in a torquey electric vehicle will drain a battery quickly.

Without being able to crunch all the data on total carbon emission from all aspects of battery trucks to diesel powered ones, I would suspect it would lead to cleaner air in urban areas without so many delivery vehicles and their reefer units operating at all hours of the day and night.

 

[MrBirdman330]

No surprise, lends more credibility to the article about the F150 Lightning having less than 100 mile range towing. Its basic laws of physics/motion here. More weight to pull more energy needed and hence faster drain on the battery. Chrysler has to be putting their first in the air for a victory pump and they don't have to say anything. What I mean by that was when Tesla bragged their Semi would get 500 miles fully loaded in a single charge Chrysler called them out saying the moment it hits the Market they would buy one and put that statement to the test.

This also destroys and adds more to what I claimed about Tesla's video of their truck getting 500 miles on a single charge loaded. The video very conveniently leaves out something very crucial. You see the doors closed on a loaded trailer but then as the driver starts walking to the cab it's cut out to just the driver reaching the cab. Then the truck via time lapse sped up purportedly driving 500 miles. No press following nothing to really lend any credibility to these trucks getting that range. An EV Engineer said at most the trucks loaded range was 300 miles or less and if you noticed the routes these trucks use are 100 miles roundtrip or less.

 

[dtech]

As some folks have pointed out on here in the past - Motor Biscuit is not known for being a credible source of information, they seem to dwell on sensational and speculative auto related stories, excerpt from an article,( link below ) . The concept of EV semi trucks is relatively new so one would expect there to be more than a few teething issues, but its not without controversy as to whether the whole concept makes sense - except to Cali of course.

"Don’t expect answers and solutions to these issues anytime soon. Do expect lots of speculation from people on social media, though, as evidenced by the heated debate taking place around the supposed breakdowns of a few Semi models while in operation at PepsiCo."

https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/vehicles/problems-tesla-semi-truck-pepsi-frito-lay
https://insideevs.com/news/632350/tesla-semi-frito-lay-broken-down/

 

[9zero1790]

Ev are amazing! (for lower loads slow speeds and short routes... after 18 holes they really need to be charged. )
new fleet of urban fast response vehicles for los angeles.

 

[MrBirdman330]

Ev are amazing! (for lower loads slow speeds and short routes... after 18 holes they really need to be charged. )
new fleet of urban fast response vehicles for los angeles.

I believe it was Toyota that stated EVs are better left as Hybrids and being supplemental opposed to primary for being a power source. Unfortunately when you look at the past 100 years of full EVs it's always the same two primary issues followed by the third. The two primary are Range and Price, twice the cost of their ICE counter parts and less than half the range. Third is infrastructure which means charging network stations. When you look at the fact that Battey packs have grown considerably larger but very little range increase has happened. Battery tech has hit most likely peak performance, and so as much as we like to fantasize about 1,000 mile range EVs with small battery packs, it won't happen ever if at all and that will be a few generations from now.

 

[9zero1790]

I believe it was Toyota that stated EVs are better left as Hybrids and being supplemental opposed to primary for being a power source. Unfortunately when you look at the past 100 years of full EVs it's always the same two primary issues followed by the third. The two primary are Range and Price, twice the cost of their ICE counter parts and less than half the range. Third is infrastructure which means charging network stations. When you look at the fact that Battey packs have grown considerably larger but very little range increase has happened. Battery tech has hit most likely peak performance, and so as much as we like to fantasize about 1,000 mile range EVs with small battery packs, it won't happen ever if at all and that will be a few generations from now.

agreed. way back ford and most auto makers tried EV trucks and cars and scrapped the idea for the same issues. hybrid is a better option. my favorite option is bio diesel. diesel is very efficient, powerful, and could actually be good for the environment as bio fuels require plants to be grown etc. diesel electric is well proven. I feel like all this EV crap is about 99% political plot vs. anything else.

 

[MrBirdman330]

agreed. way back ford and most auto makers tried EV trucks and cars and scrapped the idea for the same issues. hybrid is a better option. my favorite option is bio diesel. diesel is very efficient, powerful, and could actually be good for the environment as bio fuels require plants to be grown etc. diesel electric is well proven. I feel like all this EV crap is about 99% political plot vs. anything else.

As somebody who drove Big Rig and Diesel Trucks for a living, Bio Diesel has some serious setbacks that generally don't get addressed, the biggest is that they gel up in cool temps, I'm talking 40 to 45 degrees. You have to really add the anti gel to them or you're in for a bad day. But what most people don't know is that early Diesel Fuel was actually a heavy duty Vegetable Oil before it was made from Oil which was more readily available. If the gelling issue were more seriously addressed I would back it up further because yes it is very clean burning. Also I think Ford really doesn't understand the power of a full diesel market, I'm really looking at that new Silverado ZR2 diesel.

 

[dtech]

Oh wait, I am eating some fine tasting crow , a highly accurate and informative article from motor biscuit, I'm starting to like their style :

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/why-car-guys-girls-hate-electric-cars/

 

[rydfree]

Oh wait, I am eating some fine tasting crow , a highly accurate and informative article from motor biscuit, I'm starting to like their style :

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/why-car-guys-girls-hate-electric-cars/

"As some folks have pointed out on here in the past - Motor Biscuit is not known for being a credible source of information, they seem to dwell on sensational and speculative auto related stories"

You don't have to eat crow over being correct.. Motor biscuit just likes stirring the pot for views.

 

[D Fresh]

Also I think Ford really doesn't understand the power of a full diesel market, I'm really looking at that new Silverado ZR2 diesel.

Diesel is dead in the US. And that baby Duramax is a turd.

 

[MrBirdman330]

Diesel is dead in the US. And that baby Duramax is a turd.

Diesel never took off in the first place despite being better than gasoline.

 

[D Fresh]

Diesel never took off in the first place despite being better than gasoline.

It started to catch a bit, then the coal rollers ruined it for everybody.

 

[JohnnyO]

I believe it was Toyota that stated EVs are better left as Hybrids and being supplemental opposed to primary for being a power source. Unfortunately when you look at the past 100 years of full EVs it's always the same two primary issues followed by the third. The two primary are Range and Price, twice the cost of their ICE counter parts and less than half the range. Third is infrastructure which means charging network stations. When you look at the fact that Battey packs have grown considerably larger but very little range increase has happened. Battery tech has hit most likely peak performance, and so as much as we like to fantasize about 1,000 mile range EVs with small battery packs, it won't happen ever if at all and that will be a few generations from now.

EV's have their place, such as urban areas with a lot of stop-and-go traffic where you put on relatively few miles for the time spent in the vehicle.
Problem for the rest of us is that the majority of folks running the government have only ever lived in urban areas and don't have a clue why EV's won't work for everyone, hence they're being forced on us.

 

[9zero1790]

EV's have their place, such as urban areas with a lot of stop-and-go traffic where you put on relatively few miles for the time spent in the vehicle.
Problem for the rest of us is that the majority of folks running the government have only ever lived in urban areas and don't have a clue why EV's won't work for everyone, hence they're being forced on us.

govt does not want us to be mobile for any great distance.

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