Ranger blasphemy!

[9zero1790]

some of the features on the next gen trucks that are soon to be on lots are interesting. however, ive enjoyed every mile in my 5g until the transmission started going karen. the trucks comfy, has a good balance of power and ability plus looks good. every time i try something new off road in the 5g it has never failed to surprise me. the computer witch craft for the trail control and different off road modes or goats or whatever they are lol work so well so easily. if i could get a 5g with the manual and Sasquatch package from the bronco it would never be sold or traded.

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[NeptuneRanger]

It is all about the headlights… in my opinion style wise 5g>6g, Frontier>6g and now Colorado>6g.

In summary, 5g = Colorado (push) both > Frontier which is > 6g.

Keeping my 5g but in the future Colorado will get a serious look. Transmission and gas mileage will be a big factor.

 

[Azhang253]

The Colorado is a really smart looking truck. The L3B is also a very good engine with some solid engineering. GM claims the 8speed has been completely redesigned, and I hope that it’s better than last generation. I seriously considered waiting, but I needed a vehicle and the GM order process seems even more convoluted than Fords. I’d love to see the 2.7 or 3.0 Ecoboost as a selectable upgrade option in the 6G.

I don’t like the lack of a selectable locker on the WT line, but the Eaton G80 is a robust automatic locker for mid off-road use.

 

[Friday yet?]

Before you throw stones about taking money.... Ford is taking money from them too with all their EV's and also going to bed with China.

First, GM took money to save their asses. Gov't should have let them flounder IMHO. I feel the same about Chrysler... multiple times. If a company can't make it on their own, screw them. But our gov't jumps in with "too big to fail." Bullshit. And in saving their ass, GM screwed over so many people. Just wrong.

Can't fault Ford for taking government money for EV's. Government offers the incentive. Don't hate the players, hate the game. I took the standard deduction when I did my taxes this year. Was I supposed to say "No that's all right Uncle Sam. Let me pay every penny possible" or some such thing? That's a big hell no at my house. Gov't is pushing EV's and using cash to entice the manufacturers. Personally I don't like it but not much I can do about it. If the programs are offered, the incentives will be used.

As to China... yea, chaps my ass. Every company that is involved with China chaps my ass. Including my employer. But in the battery world they flat out have a jump on us. Look at BYD. Hate that company. But they are absolutely on fire! Multiple industries that involve lithium -ion batteries. They are rocking in every segment they are in. Even forklifts. Bastards are a royal PIA with their electric forklifts. Luckily the forklifts themselves continue to be a complete POS but I can't bash them on the lithium-ion side. Nor their battery warranty that kicks everyone else's ass. If they weren't a Chinese company I've most likely admire what they've done. So yes, you can throw rocks at big Blue on that one. I'll throw rocks with you. But on the other hand, name the companies that tell China to drop dead versus doing business with them. Short list my friend.

BTW, don't even get me started on how much technology China stole from others to get where they are.... bastards steal everything they can get their hands on. But I digress.

Sorry, longer post than I planned. Bit of a hot button for me.

 

[Markubis]

Looks nice, but as I told my wife regarding Hyundais....they look nice but it's just like putting lipstick on a pig. Under the cool looks, it's still a Hyundai.

Having said that, Chevy did a nice job of updating the interior. What really caught my eye was the step built into the bumper and the tailgate storage. THATS where Ford is falling behind.

 

[AzScorpion]

First, GM took money to save their asses. Gov't should have let them flounder IMHO. I feel the same about Chrysler... multiple times. If a company can't make it on their own, screw them. But our gov't jumps in with "too big to fail." Bullshit. And in saving their ass, GM screwed over so many people. Just wrong.

Can't fault Ford for taking government money for EV's. Government offers the incentive. Don't hate the players, hate the game. I took the standard deduction when I did my taxes this year. Was I supposed to say "No that's all right Uncle Sam. Let me pay every penny possible" or some such thing? That's a big hell no at my house. Gov't is pushing EV's and using cash to entice the manufacturers. Personally I don't like it but not much I can do about it. If the programs are offered, the incentives will be used.

As to China... yea, chaps my ass. Every company that is involved with China chaps my ass. Including my employer. But in the battery world they flat out have a jump on us. Look at BYD. Hate that company. But they are absolutely on fire! Multiple industries that involve lithium -ion batteries. They are rocking in every segment they are in. Even forklifts. Bastards are a royal PIA with their electric forklifts. Luckily the forklifts themselves continue to be a complete POS but I can't bash them on the lithium-ion side. Nor their battery warranty that kicks everyone else's ass. If they weren't a Chinese company I've most likely admire what they've done. So yes, you can throw rocks at big Blue on that one. I'll throw rocks with you. But on the other hand, name the companies that tell China to drop dead versus doing business with them. Short list my friend.

BTW, don't even get me started on how much technology China stole from others to get where they are.... bastards steal everything they can get their hands on. But I digress.

Sorry, longer post than I planned. Bit of a hot button for me.

I'm not disagreeing with you at all especially ANY company that's in bed with China! But Ford did take money from the government it just was not part of the TARP money like GM & Chrysler did. I realize TARP and government loans are two different things but Ford did take money from the government to stay afloat. The media made such a big deal about the other two that some how Ford flew under the radar on this one. Oh, and as of 2020 it still wasn't all paid back either. So if (I'm have looked deep enough yet) it hasn't been fully paid back yet it's just not right they get any money for EV's until the other is paid for.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/c...nment-loan-department-energy-debt/5526413002/

Critics at the time focused on General Motors and Chrysler, each declaring bankruptcy and accepting government bailout loans through the U.S. Treasury Department's Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) to reorganize during the auto crisis that hammered the industry between 2008 and 2010. Meanwhile, Ford took a different path.

But in the end, it accepted a government loan, too.

The debt remains on Ford books today as the company navigates a pandemic.

In September 2009, Ford entered into an agreement with the Department of Energy and borrowed $5.9 billion as part of a loan program created to finance automotive projects designed to help vehicles built in the U.S. meet higher mileage requirements and lessen U.S. dependence on foreign oil.

The company is one of three auto recipients currently listed on the Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing (ATVM) loan program site.

While critics of government assistance, including Ford executives, still focus on the government bailouts, few have mentioned in recent years the loan program that handed out money during the same time period explicitly to shore up automakers.

 

[db_tanker]

The styling looks pretty good IMO - at first the interior was a bit off-putting but after second look it isn't bad...the switches look like they were placed fairly intelligently.

Good competition for Ford IMO.

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[Grumpaw]

The only good Chebbie....is a crushed Chebbie...

 

[Grumpaw]

OK, I know I tend to over-react when it comes to GM. It's just that when I hear anyone talking about how nice they look, or someone considering buying one, well, I just tend too lose my temper and go a bit ballistic........

 

[AzScorpion]

All this Chevy talk and this video shows up on my YouTube page this morning. They don't have the ZR2 to try out yet but they have the Z71 & the Trail Boss and go over their features. One thing I don't like is the gloss black on the inside. They should've went with a matte black which would help hide the dust and scratches better. I've never been big on sunroofs but it does look nice in the Z71

 

[dtech]

Looks like it has a nice elegant engine cover , BTW the GM 2.7T - 1st introduced in 2019 is direct injection only , I'm not sure any of GM engines are using dual injection and at least one of GMs DI engines , maybe the early versions 3.6 DI had issues with carbon buildup, don't know what's planned for their small block V8 update design. What somewhat surprises me is that the 2.7T uses cylinder deactivation, something that in past engines wasn't exactly trouble free. Wonder if the TFL guys even know what cylinder deactivation means.

 

[AzScorpion]

Looks like it has a nice elegant engine cover , BTW the GM 2.7T - 1st introduced in 2019 is direct injection only , I'm not sure any of GM engines are using dual injection and at least one of GMs DI engines , maybe the early versions 3.6 DI had issues with carbon buildup, don't know what's planned for their small block V8 update design.

What somewhat surprises me is that the 2.7T uses cylinder deactivation, something that in past engines wasn't exactly trouble free. Wonder if the TFL guys even know what cylinder deactivation means.

I don't know much about CD but Ford also uses it on the 2021 F150 on the Coyote engine.

https://fordauthority.com/2020/07/2021-ford-f-150-5-0l-v8-coyote-to-get-cylinder-deactivation-technology/#:~:text=One of the tricks of the trade is,V8 Coyote engine, as Ford Authority has learned.

https://trucksauthority.com/does-ford-f-150-have-cylinder-deactivation/

 

[Friday yet?]

Wonder if the TFL guys even know what cylinder deactivation means.

Not a chance!

 

[dtech]

I don't know much about CD but Ford also uses it on the 2021 F150 on the Coyote engine.

https://fordauthority.com/2020/07/2021-ford-f-150-5-0l-v8-coyote-to-get-cylinder-deactivation-technology/#:~:text=One of the tricks of the trade is,V8 Coyote engine, as Ford Authority has learned.

https://trucksauthority.com/does-ford-f-150-have-cylinder-deactivation/

A number of makers use it - but mostly on V8s and 6 cylinder engines that I'm aware of, I wonder how effective it is saving gas on a 4 cylinder. Looks like GM put a lot of tech features into the engine - but no dual injection.

 

[AzScorpion]

A number of makers use it - but mostly on V8s and 6 cylinder engines that I'm aware of, I wonder how effective it is saving gas on a 4 cylinder. Looks like GM put a lot of tech features into the engine - but no dual injection.

Yeah it doesn't seem like it's going to make a huge difference on a 4 cyl. I mean is the trouble (problems) worth the gain on a 4 cyl compared to a V8/V6? My guess would be no but maybe it's another part of their carb compliances? ?‍

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