New Ramcharger Pickup

[LanoTX]

https://www.ramtrucks.com/electric/ram-1500-ramcharger.html

I’m usually the type to dismiss the “hybrids” that these manufacturers put out. But I believe this one with Ram is different. Electric powertrain powered by a 92 kWh battery that is kept charged from a 3.6l v6. Almost 700 miles of range, over 600 hp and lb ft. Can pull 14,000 pounds. Diesel generator is definitely the way to go imo but this is 90% there. This type of platform is the marriage of the best parts of both electric and combustion vehicles. Ford, gm, Toyota all soon to follow up with competitors my prediction

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[AzScorpion]

Those are pretty impressive numbers there! I think they key (as usual) is going to be the price. I think they're on the right track going with a hybrid instead of a full EV and if it's reasonably priced they'll sell a ton of these.

 

[underwhelmed]

I’ll be surprised if it comes in under $150k.

 

[LanoTX]

I’ll be surprised if it comes in under $150k.

Just playing devil’s advocate here but what’s particularly expensive? 3.4 V6 that’s been used in jeeps since like 2010, battery pack isn’t huge, drivetrain works essentially like a giant cordless drill. When they sell this in a fleet truck trim, there isn’t a reason to not be priced near a regular pickup. Thinking these would be too costly to make is dead wrong while GM is selling 10k pound electric hummers for $100k. Now the materials required for a new hummer battery? That justifies the $100k price tag. When they come out with a new generation F-150, they don’t advertise the XL’s. You see the lariat’s and platinum’s and raptor’s. Trucks that are going to make them more money per sale

 

[underwhelmed]

Just playing devil’s advocate here but what’s particularly expensive? 3.4 V6 that’s been used in jeeps since like 2010, battery pack isn’t huge, drivetrain works essentially like a giant cordless drill. When they sell this in a fleet truck trim, there isn’t a reason to not be priced near a regular pickup. Thinking these would be too costly to make is dead wrong while GM is selling 10k pound electric hummers for $100k. Now the materials required for a new hummer battery? That justifies the $100k price tag. When they come out with a new generation F-150, they don’t advertise the XL’s. You see the lariat’s and platinum’s and raptor’s. Trucks that are going to make them more money per sale

?, how long has Ford been making the 5.0 and 2.3 yet a xlt ranger can approach 50k and a near base XL 150 4x4 and 5.0 is going to run you at least 50k. I’ll believe that thing will be affordable when I see it, until then I’ll rely on their outrageous current prices as an indicator.

Plus if it’s popular scumbag dealers will add at least 20k “market adjustment”.

 

[LanoTX]

?, how long has Ford been making the 5.0 and 2.3 yet a xlt ranger can approach 50k and a near base XL 150 4x4 and 5.0 is going to run you at least 50k. I’ll believe that thing will be affordable when I see it, until then I’ll rely on their outrageous current prices as an indicator.

Plus if it’s popular scumbag dealers will add at least 20k “market adjustment”.

Not arguing that the manufacturers and dealers wouldn’t find a way to screw these up. Not trying to sell it as a salesman would. I think people pay 50k for a XLT ranger because that’s what they feel it’s worth, ridiculous prices happen because there’s someone out there willing to pay them, otherwise the prices drop. Paid under 30 for mine new back in 2021 because I felt that was a good deal. Ford doesn’t decide the market alone. Wouldn’t touch a fiat/chrysler product with a 10 ft pole. Just a young man excited that the future of cars doesn’t look like only electric motors and batteries. Tesla’s are all over the road despite people saying the infrastructure wasn’t ready and a million other problems they had. It’s obvious that combustion engine vehicles now are extremely bloated with technology that breaks. This hybrid tech doesn’t change our current infrastructure, it still uses fuel just not in the low IQ way of transferring power through transmissions and driveshafts and axles and having a million different parts, this is the future.

 

[shovelhd]

https://www.ramtrucks.com/electric/ram-1500-ramcharger.html

I’m usually the type to dismiss the “hybrids” that these manufacturers put out. But I believe this one with Ram is different. Electric powertrain powered by a 92 kWh battery that is kept charged from a 3.6l v6. Almost 700 miles of range, over 600 hp and lb ft. Can pull 14,000 pounds. Diesel generator is definitely the way to go imo but this is 90% there. This type of platform is the marriage of the best parts of both electric and combustion vehicles. Ford, gm, Toyota all soon to follow up with competitors my prediction

The low end will come in at $75K and the Tungsten with options like self driving will be over $100K. Don't kid yourself.

I'm a huge hybrid fan. My wife is on her third Toyota hybrid SUV. They are incredibly well designed and built vehicles. This truck, however, is not hybrid. It's more of the truck version of the Chevy Volt. It's also a Stellantis product, who doesn't have anywhere near the electric vehicle experience as other manufacturers. This truck is also not a 4x4 truck. It's AWD like the Ridgeline. That alone sets it apart from almost everything else.

This is a Cybertruck competitor. Nothing more, nothing less, but time will tell. I'd rather trust an electric vehicle made by Elon Musk than one made by Stellantis.

 

[LanoTX]

The low end will come in at $75K and the Tungsten with options like self driving will be over $100K. Don't kid yourself.

I'm a huge hybrid fan. My wife is on her third Toyota hybrid SUV. They are incredibly well designed and built vehicles. This truck, however, is not hybrid. It's more of the truck version of the Chevy Bolt. It's also a Stellantis product, who doesn't have anywhere near the electric vehicle experience as other manufacturers. This truck is also not a 4x4 truck. It's AWD like the Ridgeline. That alone sets it apart from almost everything else.

This is a Cybertruck competitor. Nothing more, nothing less, but time will tell. I'd rather trust an electric vehicle made by Elon Musk than one made by Stellantis.

Again, not saying people should go and buy this truck when it comes. Just looking at the technology. In your definition of hybrids the manufacturers have not once brought down the complexity of the car. The chevy volt had its own design problems but it also just sucked. It was slow. It had no range. I’m glad your wife’s cars have worked out well but do you think the first one of those 3 is still on the road? Doubt it. Tbh a 600 hp Honda ridge line that can tow doesn’t sound as bad as you think it does. Never brought up price because I don’t care, was never kidding myself.

 

[OGMix376]

https://www.ramtrucks.com/electric/ram-1500-ramcharger.html

I’m usually the type to dismiss the “hybrids” that these manufacturers put out. But I believe this one with Ram is different. Electric powertrain powered by a 92 kWh battery that is kept charged from a 3.6l v6. Almost 700 miles of range, over 600 hp and lb ft. Can pull 14,000 pounds. Diesel generator is definitely the way to go imo but this is 90% there. This type of platform is the marriage of the best parts of both electric and combustion vehicles. Ford, gm, Toyota all soon to follow up with competitors my prediction

This is how i figured hybrid set ups were going to be when I first started paying attention (around like 98’ 99’ when all I cared about was trying to get a SVT Cobra R mustang ?.)(anyone remember the original Prius? Ugly little thing… i believe it was in the movie “get shorty” or was it “be cool”)
Anyhow… I thought it would be a on board generator with the drive train being all electric. So I do give credit to dodge for that however, it still makes me wonder how wasn’t this the original design.?
Now having said this was how I thought it would be originally does not mean I had or even have now the engineering intelligence to articulate why it could be or couldn’t be done at the time?.

 

[LanoTX]

The low end will come in at $75K and the Tungsten with options like self driving will be over $100K. Don't kid yourself.

I'm a huge hybrid fan. My wife is on her third Toyota hybrid SUV. They are incredibly well designed and built vehicles. This truck, however, is not hybrid. It's more of the truck version of the Chevy Bolt. It's also a Stellantis product, who doesn't have anywhere near the electric vehicle experience as other manufacturers. This truck is also not a 4x4 truck. It's AWD like the Ridgeline. That alone sets it apart from almost everything else.

This is a Cybertruck competitor. Nothing more, nothing less, but time will tell. I'd rather trust an electric vehicle made by Elon Musk than one made by Stellantis.

The truck is absolutely a hybrid btw. You put gas in and it generates power for the battery. And Ram trucks since 2007 or 8 have been arguably some of the best full size pickups to off road if they don’t have the air suspension, all 4 corners are coil sprung. Agreed on Stellantis being a shit show. I was confused as I thought it was still Fiat that was the parent company. Disagree on being a cybertruck competitor though. That would be the Ram EV that is coming. Similar power numbers and ranges there. Also just going over the site, Ram is putting e-lockers in the rear of these trucks. They’re developing that electric dodge charger at the same time too. As well as moving to a turbo inline 6 for the all gas ones. Hate the company as much as anyone but attention should be paid to them at the moment.

 

[LanoTX]

This is how i figured hybrid set ups were going to be when I first started paying attention (around like 98’ 99’ when all I cared about was trying to get a SVT Cobra R mustang ?.)(anyone remember the original Prius? Ugly little thing… i believe it was in the movie “get shorty” or was it “be cool”)
Anyhow… I thought it would be a on board generator with the drive train being all electric. So I do give credit to dodge for that however, it still makes me wonder how wasn’t this the original design.?
Now having said this was how I thought it would be originally does not mean I had or even have now the engineering intelligence to articulate why it could be or couldn’t be done at the time?.

I was born 99’ but for a while now have figured a caterpillar diesel hooked to an inverter charging batteries to power electric drive motors has to be more efficient than a Prius. No engineer here either but I do understand that engines get about 70% ish of the power actually to the wheels. That alone leaves too much room for improvement. On top of running a generator at one speed all the time is inherently more reliable than revving up an engine every time you need to go faster. Grew up with a movie The Other Guys where mark wahlberg says riding in the Prius is like being inside of a vagina. Great movie

 

[LanoTX]

Y’all check out Edison Motors, a company out of Canada that began retrofitting semis with generators, batteries and electric axles. They recently passed gov inspections and regs with their own in house semi. A YouTuber that builds diesel pickups has partnered with them to develop a kit for older pickups using the same tech.

https://www.edisonmotors.ca/edison-pickup-kit

 

[OGMix376]

Y’all check out Edison Motors, a company out of Canada that began retrofitting semis with generators, batteries and electric axles. They recently passed gov inspections and regs with their own in house semi. A YouTuber that builds diesel pickups has partnered with them to develop a kit for older pickups using the same tech.

https://www.edisonmotors.ca/edison-pickup-kit

So this with a 6door conversion and the hybrid retro fit kit so I can wink at the econazi while they worry about getting to the next charger within their batt range ?

Wouldn’t it be so sweet.

 

[LanoTX]

Not where my mind went but love that gen of f series, I’ve been thinking that if I did it to a vehicle it’d be a long traveled i-beam f-150. Somewhere between these two. Do the cheaper Edison kit powering rear wheels only. Vintage hybrid trophy truck. And yes flying by anyone silently in an obs would confuse the hell out of people ?

 

[ctechbob]

There's a reason that series hybrids aren't more popular, Stellantis just hasn't figured out the physics of it yet. You can't insert another power conversion step into the driveline and increase efficiency. They are counting on you to use the truck mostly after plugging it in, which a huge percentage of PHEV drivers don't do.

And before someone states it, yea there is something to be said for operating an engine at its peak efficiency, something you can do very well in a series hybrid, but that isn't going to make up for the conversion losses.

Even the Edison guys freely admit that their series hybrid only really works in a handful of very specific use cases.

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