I know this kind of topic is frowned upon but....

[RedlandRanger]

I have seen that poll in several places (including LinkedIn) but I don't remember seeing any information on how the data was gathered and analyzed. I am not saying the data or survey is flawed, but I could interview everyone within 1 mile of my house and 100% of them say pineapple on pizza is the best topping ever. there are 3 people who live within 1 mile my home. <not true but you get the point.

SIDESTORY -
My GF has a team in India. She offered one of her team members the opportunity to change from 2nd shift to 1st shift to support a different team and to provide them the opportunity to shine. The employee said "I need to ask my parents if I can switch shifts." This is a professional adult - with an MBA. But culturally they defer to their parents for a lot of things. In this case they passed on the opportunity because their mother makes them lunch and dinner and if they took the earlier shift she could not take advantage of that.

While that seems so foreign to us, culturally it is the norm there. They live with extended family, the mothers cook for everyone in the home. She has had team members quit because the family decided she should not be working. But that is just how it is, so they leave a good paying job and go be a homemaker...

I did do a quick browse of the source of the data and while I didn't look deeply, it did look reasonably well sourced - enough that it makes me believe the data is reasonably accurate.

Your side story to me is a completely different thing. It is one thing to ask your parents about job changes that might affect daily life - it is a completely different thing to ask said parent to sit next to you in a job interview.

When my dad was still around, I asked his advice many times on career moves, and even asked him to look at my resume and cover letter(s) for feedback. My son and daughter have done the same with me. That to me, is normal, and reasonable. But no one has ever asked me to sit with them in the job interview, and I would NEVER agree to do a phone interview for any of my children.

I was a scoutmaster for a number of years and saw similar behavior in some parents, so it doesn't totally surprise me.

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[MountainGoat]

I have seen that poll in several places (including LinkedIn) but I don't remember seeing any information on how the data was gathered and analyzed. I am not saying the data or survey is flawed, but I could interview everyone within 1 mile of my house and 100% of them say pineapple on pizza is the best topping ever. there are 3 people who live within 1 mile my home. <not true but you get the point.

SIDESTORY -
My GF has a team in India. She offered one of her team members the opportunity to change from 2nd shift to 1st shift to support a different team and to provide them the opportunity to shine. The employee said "I need to ask my parents if I can switch shifts." This is a professional adult - with an MBA. But culturally they defer to their parents for a lot of things. In this case they passed on the opportunity because their mother makes them lunch and dinner and if they took the earlier shift she could not take advantage of that.

While that seems so foreign to us, culturally it is the norm there. They live with extended family, the mothers cook for everyone in the home. She has had team members quit because the family decided she should not be working. But that is just how it is, so they leave a good paying job and go be a homemaker...

They have a cast structure and obey who's above them. AKA they don't whistleblow which is why they get put up in so many pharma companies with bad QC. There was one at my old company who would always F'off at work but nobody would report it cause he was a Brahmin (top-tier cast). He was at least funny though, every time the boss told him to do something under his breath he'd go "This is boooshit man". He would walk and work at 0.5mph but when Buffalo Wild Wings arrived he'd be out of the lab before I could stand up from my chair.

 

[Jhbryaniv]

I did do a quick browse of the source of the data and while I didn't look deeply, it did look reasonably well sourced - enough that it makes me believe the data is reasonably accurate.

Your side story to me is a completely different thing. It is one thing to ask your parents about job changes that might affect daily life - it is a completely different thing to ask said parent to sit next to you in a job interview.

When my dad was still around, I asked his advice many times on career moves, and even asked him to look at my resume and cover letter(s) for feedback. My son and daughter have done the same with me. That to me, is normal, and reasonable. But no one has ever asked me to sit with them in the job interview, and I would NEVER agree to do a phone interview for any of my children.

I was a scoutmaster for a number of years and saw similar behavior in some parents, so it doesn't totally surprise me.

The "bring parent to an interview" is vague as you describe is a prime example, did mom drop kid off and sit in the lobby instead of the car because money was tight? did they try and sit in the room during the interview and interject? Were they attempting to influence the interviewer in some manner? The numbers and "study" are intended to provide data that gets a certain reaction, I think. and from the comments here and LinkedIn I would say it did as intended...

different, yes but not irrelevant. data points, not interpretations of data.

she has had parents of employees she has fired call her, on the sons laptop to beg them to take the son back.

There is for sure a reliance on parents here that I would never imagine when I was in my 20's. Hell, my parents wouldn't even come with me when I enlisted. lol good luck son, we will see you when you return.

They have a cast structure and obey who's above them. AKA they don't whistleblow which is why they get put up in so many pharma companies with bad QC. There was one at my old company who would always F'off at work but nobody would report it cause he was a Brahmin (top-tier cast). He was at least funny though, every time the boss told him to do something under his breath he'd go "This is boooshit man". He would walk and work at 0.5mph but when Buffalo Wild Wings arrived he'd be out of the lab before I could stand up from my chair.

yes, they have a caste structure. You ever see a male employee quit when they are told they now report to a female supervisor. that is some funny shit. the whining and complaining that how dare they have to report to a female makes me laugh.


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It is interesting that when we refer to a different country that does similar things as the whipper snappers here do, it is brushed off as they are doing because that's their culture, but here it is looked down upon because the parents are helicopters and the kids are helpless?

 

[Chris M]

The "bring parent to an interview" is vague as you describe is a prime example, did mom drop kid off and sit in the lobby instead of the car because money was tight? did they try and sit in the room during the interview and interject? Were they attempting to influence the interviewer in some manner? The numbers and "study" are intended to provide data that gets a certain reaction, I think. and from the comments here and LinkedIn I would say it did as intended...

different, yes but not irrelevant. data points, not interpretations of data.

she has had parents of employees she has fired call her, on the sons laptop to beg them to take the son back.

There is for sure a reliance on parents here that I would never imagine when I was in my 20's. Hell, my parents wouldn't even come with me when I enlisted. lol good luck son, we will see you when you return.





yes, they have a caste structure. You ever see a male employee quit when they are told they now report to a female supervisor. that is some funny shit. the whining and complaining that how dare they have to report to a female makes me laugh.


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It is interesting that when we refer to a different country that does similar things as the whipper snappers here do, it is brushed off as they are doing because that's their culture, but here it is looked down upon because the parents are helicopters and the kids are helpless?

Maybe it's different because other countries have had that type of culture for hundreds/thousands of years, and our country now seems to be trying to change our culture toward one of ultra-reliance of current young folks ON those helicopter parents.

 

[RedlandRanger]

The "bring parent to an interview" is vague as you describe is a prime example, did mom drop kid off and sit in the lobby instead of the car because money was tight? did they try and sit in the room during the interview and interject? Were they attempting to influence the interviewer in some manner? The numbers and "study" are intended to provide data that gets a certain reaction, I think. and from the comments here and LinkedIn I would say it did as intended...

Here is the source survey: https://www.resumetemplates.com/1-in-4-gen-zers-brought-a-parent-to-a-job-interview/

And the "bring a parent to the interview" was NOT vague at all - it had 4 different "flavors" - the 26% was "Physically sat in the interview" - which is what astounded me. 37% accompanied them to the office - which isn't all that strange - I'd consider that moral support - they wait in the car or somewhere else but not accompany their child INTO the interview. 7% actually answered questions in the interview.

I honestly don't know how you can defend having an adult child have their parent sit in an interview with them. I really can't think of any reason, barring extreme circumstances (special needs child, etc).

 

[Chris M]

Here is the source survey: https://www.resumetemplates.com/1-in-4-gen-zers-brought-a-parent-to-a-job-interview/

And the "bring a parent to the interview" was NOT vague at all - it had 4 different "flavors" - the 26% was "Physically sat in the interview" - which is what astounded me. 37% accompanied them to the office - which isn't all that strange - I'd consider that moral support - they wait in the car or somewhere else but not accompany their child INTO the interview. 7% actually answered questions in the interview.

I honestly don't know how you can defend having an adult child have their parent sit in an interview with them. I really can't think of any reason, barring extreme circumstances (special needs child, etc).

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[MountainGoat]

yes, they have a caste structure. You ever see a male employee quit when they are told they now report to a female supervisor. that is some funny shit. the whining and complaining that how dare they have to report to a female makes me laugh.

LOL I only had one female supervisor in my life and I quit after not too long either. Learned my lesson; It's a lot better working for a man, or for yourself.

Oh and here is one for OP but I bet he can't see my posts. ?

 

[TJC]

Different cultures, different approaches. I get it.

This is America, and only the last generation would bring parents to a Job interview. It would never cross my mind to do such a thing. How many 35 year olds still live at home? More than I can imagine. I occasionally help my kids, but they don't ask and I volunteer when it is least expected. I want them to be independent.

I have watched the workplace culture at IBM shift the last 30 years. It went from STEM based protocols to feel good emotional nonsense. And the company is paying an extreme price for it.

Excellence no longer exists there. It is systemically stamped out. Group think rules the day. I have witnessed many PhD graduates who can't string two sentences together into a cohesive thought. Minimal vocabulary. 7+ years of Higher education??? Really???

Computer Science Majors who don't know what a terminal command prompt is, and have never compiled a program.

It is what it is...

 

[Cmar]

Pretty sure the government will bail them out just like they did with all the dumbasses that don't understand what a loan is after spending too much on a degree that won't get them a job that makes a living wage.

Sir I think you are being too hard on those who have struggled to complete a Bachelor's degree and then Masters / PhD in Organic Outer Mongolian Winter Yak wool sweater weaving. After all like I mean anyone can do a degree in Science / Engineering / Industrial Chemistry, Nursing, etc.

 

[Brett Fields]

*their

Ha Ha, Grammar Nazi strikes again!

Anyway, it seems the whole world is going crazy, not just these forums. Must be something in the water or in the air.

I sleep with a CPAP that has N95 filtration and I drink water from a ZERO water filter. I guess I must be protected.

 

[Cmar]

I sleep with a CPAP that has N95 filtration and I drink water from a ZERO water filter. I guess I must be protected.

Like this?

 

[KJRR]

Sir I think you are being too hard on those who have struggled to complete a Bachelor's degree and then Masters / PhD in Organic Outer Mongolian Winter Yak wool sweater weaving. After all like I mean anyone can do a degree in Science / Engineering / Industrial Chemistry, Nursing, etc.

You are right and I apologize to all the coffee servers and burger flippers along with those still living with thier parents years after graduation.

 

[Cmar]

Different cultures, different approaches. I get it.

This is America, and only the last generation would bring parents to a Job interview. It would never cross my mind to do such a thing. How many 35 year olds still live at home? More than I can imagine. I occasionally help my kids, but they don't ask and I volunteer when it is least expected. I want them to be independent.

I have watched the workplace culture at IBM shift the last 30 years. It went from STEM based protocols to feel good emotional nonsense. And the company is paying an extreme price for it.

Excellence no longer exists there. It is systemically stamped out. Group think rules the day. I have witnessed many PhD graduates who can't string two sentences together into a cohesive thought. Minimal vocabulary. 7+ years of Higher education??? Really???

Computer Science Majors who don't know what a terminal command prompt is, and have never compiled a program.

It is what it is...

Oh so true, in my opinion it started when they began replacing proper job trained trained professionals in management with accountants, and "professional managers", who have no idea, and who's first (and only) love is a balanced spreadsheet.

Even worse "professional managers" who have spent their careers hopping from one job to the next. Stopping only long enough to thoroughly F**K that place (but getting out before the fallout) before descending on the next to work their "change agent magic" there, all the while collecting huge salaries.

"Excellence no longer exists there. It is systemically stamped out. Group think rules the day."

That's because these days you dare not to be too good or stick out too much or else someone further up the chain will get paranoid, and see that you are somehow restrained, diverted, or even removed.

I was lucky in one place I worked to find an older mentor who recognised my talents and generously encouraged me to pursue and develop them.
He was clever enough to realise that one day he would no longer there, and wanted to ensure that there was a competent new generation around to replace him and his peers. Although I have not worked there for many years much of what I have subsequently achieved I owe to him, and his friendship and advice.

 

[Cmar]

You are right and I apologize to all the coffee servers and burger flippers along with those still living with thier parents years after graduation.

Ha Ha I did enough of that WHEN I was at university. I was eager to do something different after graduation.
One of our sons still lives with us after graduation, however he IS saving for a house with his partner so fair enough, and he does pay his way.

 

[MountainGoat]

Didn't you guys hear? You can only buy 0.91 Big Macs per hour with minimum wage when you used to buy able to buy 6! Times are hard on young people, it's not like it used to be. Though not for me. I'm living the American Dream, buying 6 of these an hour.

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