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[ylwjacket]

and is talk of this silly rule being tossed still a thing or are we stuck with this bs?

Multiple lawsuits filed. Would have to believe they stop it while those work out.

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[D Fresh]

@9zero1790

The ATF ruling states that the waived fee for the tax stamp only applies to completed firearms. You cannot slap a brace on a pistol lower, register it now and avoid the fee. This is so that people aren't registering the thousands of unbuilt pistol lowers sitting around in garages accross the country.

No brace, just a buffer tube is still perfectly acceptable to the ATF.

 

[AzScorpion]

@9zero1790

The ATF ruling states that the waived fee for the tax stamp only applies to completed firearms. You cannot slap a brace on a pistol lower, register it now and avoid the fee. This is so that people aren't registering the thousands of unbuilt pistol lowers sitting around in garages accross the country.

No brace, just a buffer tube is still perfectly acceptable to the ATF.

I'm tired and maybe reading it wrong but I thought it said the opposite?

If you bought a lower receiver with factory installed brace then you need to pay the tax stamp. If you bought the parts yourself and completed the build you DO NOT have to pay the tax stamp. So you can slap a brace on a lower to avoid the fees.

Either way all mine are at the bottom of Lake Pleasant!

 

[D Fresh]

I'm tired and maybe reading it wrong but I thought it said the opposite?

If you bought a lower receiver with factory installed brace then you need to pay the tax stamp. If you bought the parts yourself and completed the build you DO NOT have to pay the tax stamp. So you can slap a brace on a lower to avoid the fees.

Either way all mine are at the bottom of Lake Pleasant!

Me too.

And the legalese makes it difficult. But I believe the phrase "as the exemption is only applicable to already completed firearms" clarifies the meaning to be that you can't avoid the fee on registering a "naked" lower with brace.

Who knows?

 

[AzScorpion]

Me too.

And the legalese makes it difficult. But I believe the phrase "as the exemption is only applicable to already completed firearms" clarifies the meaning to be that you can't avoid the fee on registering a "naked" lower with brace.

Who knows?

So basically just slap on a 16" upper and wait until the courts decide this mess. Should be a no brainer and turned around soon enough.

 

[9zero1790]

@9zero1790

The ATF ruling states that the waived fee for the tax stamp only applies to completed firearms. You cannot slap a brace on a pistol lower, register it now and avoid the fee. This is so that people aren't registering the thousands of unbuilt pistol lowers sitting around in garages accross the country.

No brace, just a buffer tube is still perfectly acceptable to the ATF.

thank you ! that makes me feel better. the rule is still stupid but at least i dont have to jump through a bunch of circles to satisfy the rule.

 

[9zero1790]

I'm tired and maybe reading it wrong but I thought it said the opposite?

If you bought a lower receiver with factory installed brace then you need to pay the tax stamp. If you bought the parts yourself and completed the build you DO NOT have to pay the tax stamp. So you can slap a brace on a lower to avoid the fees.

Either way all mine are at the bottom of Lake Pleasant!

i thought it was meaning if you have a pistol with the brace already you either A. have to remove the brace or B. add a long barrel to keep the brace or C. keep the pistol and brace and do the registration. at this point i dont think the atf even knows what they mean.
funny thing is i never really wanted an ar pistol in the first place. I bought parts to assemble an ar as i was trying to do it the most cost friendly way not being a wealthy guy and the pistol parts were less expensive than the other options

 

[D Fresh]

thank you ! that makes me feel better. the rule is still stupid but at least i dont have to jump through a bunch of circles to satisfy the rule.

Of course, I'm no lawyer, but I don't think you have anything to worry about.

I don't own any braced pistols. But if I did I'd sit back and wait a bit for the legal matters to be determined. And personally, worst case if it goes through I'd simply slide the brace off my buffer tube.

But I don't have any tax stamps currently. If I already had cans or SBRs I'd probably register it, despite my personal feelings.

 

[TJC]

I watched a video where an FFL fellow stated that there are ~40 million weapons affected by this ruling. ATF gives a deadline to register by. ATF has 81 day grace window once application is sent in. If they do not approve application in 81 days then you are SOL and in violation! So by attempting to register your once legal weapon, the ATF will have all the info they need to come knocking at your door to retrieve the weapon, fine or send you off to the pokey. And sense you are now charged as a felon, confiscate any other arms found.

The fellow thinks it is nothing more than a "honey pot" pretext for a gun grab.

I am only reporting what this fellow had to say. I don't have a dog in this fight as I don't own one.

I've standardized my weapons of choice, and it didn't make the list. (sigh) 22, 380, 40, 556, 12 & 16 gauge. Looking back 9mm might have been a better choice than 40, but that ship has sailed. And I prefer 16g over 12g as I get older. It is hell on an old man's shoulder, even with a stock pad!

I do know that he is correct on this one count. There is no way the ATF can process 40+ million applications within the grace period, and mostly likely not single applications in 81 days if they are swamped. Do the math.

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- T

 

[ylwjacket]

I watched a video where an FFL fellow stated that there are ~40 million weapons affected by this ruling. ATF gives a deadline to register by. ATF has 81 day grace window once application is sent in. If they do not approve application in 81 days then you are SOL and in violation! So by attempting to register your once legal weapon, the ATF will have all the info they need to come knocking at your door to retrieve the weapon, fine or send you off to the pokey. And sense you are now charged as a felon, confiscate any other arms found.

The fellow thinks it is nothing more than a "honey pot" pretext for a gun grab.

I am only reporting what this fellow had to say. I don't have a dog in this fight as I don't own one.

I've standardized my weapons of choice, and it didn't make the list. (sigh) 22, 380, 40, 556, 12 & 16 gauge. Looking back 9mm might have been a better choice than 40, but that ship has sailed. And I prefer 16g over 12g as I get older. It is hell on an old man's shoulder, even with a stock pad!

I do know that he is correct on this one count. There is no way the ATF can process 40+ million applications within the grace period, and mostly likely not single applications in 81 days if they are swamped. Do the math.

Opinions?

- T

I tried to standardize my modern arms as well, just because having too many calibers is stupid expensive.

 

[9zero1790]

I watched a video where an FFL fellow stated that there are ~40 million weapons affected by this ruling. ATF gives a deadline to register by. ATF has 81 day grace window once application is sent in. If they do not approve application in 81 days then you are SOL and in violation! So by attempting to register your once legal weapon, the ATF will have all the info they need to come knocking at your door to retrieve the weapon, fine or send you off to the pokey. And sense you are now charged as a felon, confiscate any other arms found.

The fellow thinks it is nothing more than a "honey pot" pretext for a gun grab.

I am only reporting what this fellow had to say. I don't have a dog in this fight as I don't own one.

I've standardized my weapons of choice, and it didn't make the list. (sigh) 22, 380, 40, 556, 12 & 16 gauge. Looking back 9mm might have been a better choice than 40, but that ship has sailed. And I prefer 16g over 12g as I get older. It is hell on an old man's shoulder, even with a stock pad!

I do know that he is correct on this one count. There is no way the ATF can process 40+ million applications within the grace period, and mostly likely not single applications in 81 days if they are swamped. Do the math.

Opinions?

- T

a calculated move no doubt.

 

[D Fresh]

I watched a video where an FFL fellow stated that there are ~40 million weapons affected by this ruling. ATF gives a deadline to register by. ATF has 81 day grace window once application is sent in. If they do not approve application in 81 days then you are SOL and in violation! So by attempting to register your once legal weapon, the ATF will have all the info they need to come knocking at your door to retrieve the weapon, fine or send you off to the pokey. And sense you are now charged as a felon, confiscate any other arms found.

The fellow thinks it is nothing more than a "honey pot" pretext for a gun grab.

I am only reporting what this fellow had to say. I don't have a dog in this fight as I don't own one.

I've standardized my weapons of choice, and it didn't make the list. (sigh) 22, 380, 40, 556, 12 & 16 gauge. Looking back 9mm might have been a better choice than 40, but that ship has sailed. And I prefer 16g over 12g as I get older. It is hell on an old man's shoulder, even with a stock pad!

I do know that he is correct on this one count. There is no way the ATF can process 40+ million applications within the grace period, and mostly likely not single applications in 81 days if they are swamped. Do the math.

Opinions?

- T

Opinion?


Odd that the term "semi automatic assault pistol" became a term the media uses right about the time this "ruling" went into effect.

They're up to something.

 

[9zero1790]

Opinion?


Odd that the term "semi automatic assault pistol" became a term the media uses right about the time this "ruling" went into effect.

They're up to something.

govt media tech biz health care utility service and basically anything we can think of are now one body. two class now. Bourgeoisie and Proletariat

 

[TJC]

An Interesting Balloon Update ( Which is straining credibility )

The NORAD General staff say they have "holes in the net" when it comes to Chinese balloons and that several passed over the US when Trump was President. And in a MAJOR Breach of command authority, the General Staff failed to inform the President, the Commander in Chief of the military!

Now that is a mouthful! (Makes you wander just who is running the US Government)
This is the article that I am quoting.
NORAD Pleads Incompetence Over Failure To Spot Trump-Era Chinese Spy Balloons

Here is why it strains credibility
Below is the flight path of the Chinese Balloon over the USA. Take note where the balloon's flight path is in relation to the Alaskan Aleutian Islands.

Note that the Aleutians run from southern Alaska southeast to well below Siberia, and it is all US territory. Since the start of WWII, the US military has had a significant presence at Shemya, Alaska. Shemya is waaaay out on the very end of the Aleutians. Note its location in relation to both China and Russia in the map below. It is situated perfectly to detect anything coming from the far east. There is also a nice long runway that supports tactical and strategic USAF aircraft. The entire island is a US military base.

The US built a very advanced AESA phased array radar facing west. Phased Array radar systems have the ability to see "over the horizon" and have extremely advanced tracking capabilities. They are almost impossible to jam as they use dynamically changing "scanning" frequencies. They can track with great precision everything (hundreds if not thousands of targets simultaneously) coming its way as the beam is aimed by computers in nano-seconds.

Below is a picture of the radar location on Shemya. Looks small, but it isn't. Notice that 10,000' runway on the southern half of the island. It can support all USAF tactical fighters and most bombers and heavy transports.

This is a view of the Phased Array Radar from the ground in Shemya. Impressive. There is no way that the Chinese Balloon evaded detection of this radar. The balloon literally drifted near or over this installation.

The US government, for whatever reason(s) known only to them, is openly lying to the American public.

My last word on the topic.

- T

 

[Glocker]

Yay! I finally got my gun in hand!

it's the big spoon!

I've also come up with a plan on how to deal with the pistol brace issue. I own a registered SBR, so I will use my short 9mm upper on that, and buy a full 16" upper for my 9mm blaster, and take the brace off and replace it with a regular stock, thus making it a 16" rifle.

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