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[AzScorpion]

One thing that I just thought of is all the jobs some of these "evil" ban items have at risk. I cannot count how many companies make some item for popular platforms like the ar. It is not just the "gun" companies, lots of metal shops, finishes, plastics, castings, forgers, tools, shop machines, maintenance and many others. id wager a bad guess that most ar rifles are at least a combination of 2 manufactures parts, even if branded the same. like who has not seen an upper made by anchor harvey or bafe on guns from tons of different labels. With the inflation we have now and high cpi any one getting laid of or going out of biz is brutal.

This would destroy the whole industry! Talk about a mass amount of people losing their jobs and companies going out of business or severely downsizing. Sure they can manufacture parts for other guns but let's face it, the AR is a huge selling platform. A lot of these are online sales only and they don't even manufacture the products but just sales. You're talking thousands of jobs gone.

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[deleriumtremor]

One thing that I just thought of is all the jobs some of these "evil" ban items have at risk. I cannot count how many companies make some item for popular platforms like the ar. It is not just the "gun" companies, lots of metal shops, finishes, plastics, castings, forgers, tools, shop machines, maintenance and many others. id wager a bad guess that most ar rifles are at least a combination of 2 manufactures parts, even if branded the same. like who has not seen an upper made by anchor harvey or bafe on guns from tons of different labels. With the inflation we have now and high cpi any one getting laid of or going out of biz is brutal.

I think the industry of guns and ammo is one of the primary focal points of the anti gun machine. Let’s face it, if you can choke off the financial rewards of being a manufacturer, wholesaler or retailer, you basically eliminate the ability for citizens to acquire the articles.

The breadth of such initiatives is wide and quite creative.

An example of how creative and esoteric these kinds of initiatives can get is a thing like the California Safe Handgun Roster. I don’t know if it still exists, but back when I lived there, California had a law that any handgun that could be sold new through retail channels to non-exempt (like average citizens versus LEO, etc.) individuals had to be listed on the Safe Handgun Roster. To get listed a manufacturer had to submit each particular handgun it wanted to sell in CA, right down to the color, etc. for testing and the gun had to pass specific drop tests, etc. Sounds reasonable right?

As this process went along, more and more criteria was added to what constituted a “safe handgun” and it became harder and harder for manufacturers (reads more and more expensive) to comply. As I recall, Ruger got disgusted, they decided to quit sending new models to be certified. As I recall, there were grandfather clauses that allowed a previously certified gun to be sold even if it didn’t meet the lastest criteria, but as time went on it became basically impossible for any manufacturer to get a get certified. Such that you might be able to buy a Springfield Armory 1911 of a specific model (again, right down to the grip style (say rosewood)), but the exact same model with composite grips were not on the roster.

I think about the time we were leaving, CA decided micro-stamping was a safe idea and made it a criteria of any new safe handgun to be certified, even though micro stamping itself was only a concept. Hence no new handguns would be allowed to be sold to non-exempt individuals.

I don’t know if the safe handgun roster still exists and if it does, if microstamping is still a requirement, but that whole thing was a very creative way for government to target manufacturers and eliminate sales of their products, without overtly appearing to violate 2A principles.

Obviously, there aremore straight at you th8ngs like suing manufacturers of weapons used in gun crimes on behalf of the victims and their families, but make no mistake, there are a lot of very subtle approaches that can also be employed quite effectively.

 

[Langwilliams]

There was talk of a annual tax on every firearm and every round of ammo. If they can't drive the manufacturers out of business next plan to make them too expensive to own, an then go after ammo manufacturers. No ammo no weapon

 

[9zero1790]

There was talk of a annual tax on every firearm and every round of ammo. If they can't drive the manufacturers out of business next plan to make them too expensive to own, an then go after ammo manufacturers. No ammo no weapon

yep thats already been happening in some places. the sbr ban was in my view fully based on that plan. make it were only the elites can afford to have things.

 

[deleriumtremor]

There was talk of a annual tax on every firearm and every round of ammo. If they can't drive the manufacturers out of business next plan to make them too expensive to own, an then go after ammo manufacturers. No ammo no weapon

Similar to the tax idea, a while back CA made it illegal to buy ammo online and have it shipped to your residence. You have to buy from a local FFL (or I think at least have an FFL receive for you any out of state ammo shipments).

I have a friend who needed 500 rounds of 9mm for his wife to practice and take a test as she was going to get her CCL and I think the local sheriff required a practical test.

It was during one of the ammo droughts and he was really scrambling. I offered to ship him 500 rounds and he checked and he had to have an FFL receive it for him, so we sent it to a Clays club near him.

I don’t think I would live in CA if I didn’t reload. Better shut up before they make components subject to background checks.

 

[9zero1790]

i thought this was a meme or joke at first.. sad, it is real. and not even a new thing. it is from 2014. A non detachable magazine ar. Can be preset by the govt to limit how many rounds they approve up to ten. so it works a little bit like a bolt rifle setup. https://www.alloutdoor.com/2014/01/20/lwrc-previews-ca-compliant-magazine-less-ar/

 

[Blmpkn]

No stranger to plastic striker fired jobs, think I want to mix it up a bit?

I have an LCP I wedge between my cheeks when all I want to wear is my speedo.. so I'm all set for subcompacts for the most part. Not sure if I really want a full-size though.. decisions decisions..

 

[halligan1201]

I've shot ARs at the range but never bothered to own my own. Decided to change that. From those that have experience, what accessories do you consider the essentials and what process do you recommend on selecting a particular one? Optics? Foregrips? I'm not really interested in lasers or lights but I'm open to suggestions from those who have more experience (and already spent their own cash) on what worked from them and what didn't.

 

[AzScorpion]

I've shot ARs at the range but never bothered to own my own. Decided to change that. From those that have experience, what accessories do you consider the essentials and what process do you recommend on selecting a particular one? Optics? Foregrips? I'm not really interested in lasers or lights but I'm open to suggestions from those who have more experience (and already spent their own cash) on what worked from them and what didn't.

I don't over accessorize mine. Optics are a definite and I would go scope over a red dot, you'll be able to adjust for longer distance if needed. Plus as you get older it helps with aging eyes. lol You're better off spending money on a good scope rather than a cheap one. Personally I like the angled foregrips better than the straight one. For me it's more comfortable when I grip the rail.

I do have a light only on my AR pistol but that's one of my home defense ones. Also grab as many spare mags as you can while you can still get them.

As far as AR's go I don't shoot competitively so I didn't spend a whole lot on mine. PSA (Palmetto State Armory) has some great deals on AR's and they have a lifetime warranty on them. I have thousands of rounds through mine with zero issues. Sign up for their email alerts as they have daily specials. You're better off spending the money on a better scope.

 

[DocE3Gun]

Optic would be my first and most important consideration, and that typically involves a discussion about budget and purpose. Red dots can work well and range extended with a good to side magnifier. LPVO (low power variable optic) scopes can range from good to excellent and can be shot as fast as red dots on 1x power and are great for shots to 600+.

After that, almost everything is personal preference. I personally don’t like vertical foregrips. I’ve had great luck with Magpul grips and stocks and have moved to the K2 XL grips that are larger and more vertical. Muzzle
Devices can change how your gun shoots as far as muzzle rise, flash, and felt recoil. My competition brakes would be obnoxious for most shooters, but are the best for felt recoil. Flash hiders aren’t great for changing felt recoil, but may seem quieter. Hybrids offer a compromise between the two and many end up with them.

Here’s an example from American Defense Manufacturing that I won this weekend. Magpul stock and grip, ADM free float handguard (a nice upgrade if you don’t already have it), a Geissele trigger (nice upgrade), and a Surefire warcomp muzzle device.

 

[halligan1201]

I don't over accessorize mine. Optics are a definite and I would go scope over a red dot, you'll be able to adjust for longer distance if needed. Plus as you get older it helps with aging eyes. lol You're better off spending money on a good scope rather than a cheap one. Personally I like the angled foregrips better than the straight one. For me it's more comfortable when I grip the rail.

I do have a light only on my AR pistol but that's one of my home defense ones. Also grab as many spare mags as you can while you can still get them.

As far as AR's go I don't shoot competitively so I didn't spend a whole lot on mine. PSA (Palmetto State Armory) has some great deals on AR's and they have a lifetime warranty on them. I have thousands of rounds through mine with zero issues. Sign up for their email alerts as they have daily specials. You're better off spending the money on a better scope.

I have a Springfield waiting for me at my FFL because I couldn't find the Savage Patrol anywhere for months (Savage actually seems to have taken their MSRs off their site even though I know they're still making the Recon and the MSR 10s). I figure I'll start with a mid-level and see if I'm into them - any MSR will be more accurate than I am and my EDC is a Springfield and I've loved everything about it. I've been more comfortable with the angled foregrips on the rifles I've shot so I was already leaning that way; do you have a particular one you like? I'm in Illinois so distance shooting will be limited to a 100 yards or less so I'm thinking of outfitting the first one with that in mind; what optic do you recommend? And I've got 10 Magpul magazines on the way lol.

 

[halligan1201]

Optic would be my first and most important consideration, and that typically involves a discussion about budget and purpose. Red dots can work well and range extended with a good to side magnifier. LPVO (low power variable optic) scopes can range from good to excellent and can be shot as fast as red dots on 1x power and are great for shots to 600+.

After that, almost everything is personal preference. I personally don’t like vertical foregrips. I’ve had great luck with Magpul grips and stocks and have moved to the K2 XL grips that are larger and more vertical. Muzzle
Devices can change how your gun shoots as far as muzzle rise, flash, and felt recoil. My competition brakes would be obnoxious for most shooters, but are the best for felt recoil. Flash hiders aren’t great for changing felt recoil, but may seem quieter. Hybrids offer a compromise between the two and many end up with them.

Here’s an example from American Defense Manufacturing that I won this weekend. Magpul stock and grip, ADM free float handguard (a nice upgrade if you don’t already have it), a Geissele trigger (nice upgrade), and a Surefire warcomp muzzle device.

Do you have any optics you recommend, especially for someone who is in the "maybe this will be my next money suck or maybe not" phase? I'm a firm believer in spending a little more to buy the right and adequate tool but I'm also not to the "buy the tradesman level" phase yet.

 

[DocE3Gun]

Do you have any optics you recommend, especially for someone who is in the "maybe this will be my next money suck or maybe not" phase? I'm a firm believer in spending a little more to buy the right and adequate tool but I'm also not to the "buy the tradesman level" phase yet.

I shoot for Vortex Optics, so take that for what you will….

if I were to give you 3 tiers for LPVO optics it would be:

-Vortex Razor 1-10x (~$2000) or Razor 1-6x ($1200) ….these are what I use to compete and win with. They’re what you buy when you’re dead serious you want some of the finest glass possible.

-Vortex PST-2 1-6x (~$600-700). Think of this as being 75-85% of what you get with a Razor for less money. It’s not quite as bomb proof, but for most people, it will be the nicest scope they’ve ever looked through when they get it….until they look through a Razor.

-Vortex Strike Eagle 1-8x ($599 updated 1-8x, or $390 for 1st Gen). This is the grade glass most buy and it will serve them well for many years.

I’d give you two pieces of advice…

1: Buy a decent scope mount (I use Warne X-Skels) and pay attention to torque specs.

2: Don’t look through scopes more expensive than you might consider spending. It’s hard to go back to less expensive glass when you’ve looked through nicer stuff! ……and I say this as someone who upsells a lot of folks by letting them look through my Razors!

 

[AzScorpion]

I've shot ARs at the range but never bothered to own my own. Decided to change that. From those that have experience, what accessories do you consider the essentials and what process do you recommend on selecting a particular one? Optics? Foregrips? I'm not really interested in lasers or lights but I'm open to suggestions from those who have more experience (and already spent their own cash) on what worked from them and what didn't.

I shoot for Vortex Optics, so take that for what you will….

if I were to give you 3 tiers for LPVO optics it would be:

-Vortex Razor 1-10x (~$2000) or Razor 1-6x ($1200) ….these are what I use to compete and win with. They’re what you buy when you’re dead serious you want some of the finest glass possible.

-Vortex PST-2 1-6x (~$600-700). Think of this as being 75-85% of what you get with a Razor for less money. It’s not quite as bomb proof, but for most people, it will be the nicest scope they’ve ever looked through when they get it….until they look through a Razor.

-Vortex Strike Eagle 1-8x ($599 updated 1-8x, or $390 for 1st Gen). This is the grade glass most buy and it will serve them well for many years.

I’d give you two pieces of advice…

1: Buy a decent scope mount (I use Warne X-Skels) and pay attention to torque specs.

2: Don’t look through scopes more expensive than you might consider spending. It’s hard to go back to less expensive glass when you’ve looked through nicer stuff! ……and I say this as someone who upsells a lot of folks by letting them look through my Razors!

Dillen with definitely help you spend a lot more than I will. lol Those optics are really great and I agree in that you don't want to look through the expensive glass because nothing will compare to it afterwards. We just go out to the desert and shoot for fun so I didn't spend crazy money on mine. I bought a Nikon P-223 and I think I payed around $250.00 for it. I've gone out to 300 yards and can still hit steel with it so for me it works just fine. I've always had my eye on a good Vortex scope but I could never justify spending a couple grand for the shooting that I do.

 

[DocE3Gun]

Dillen with definitely help you spend a lot more than I will. lol Those optics are really great and I agree in that you don't want to look through the expensive glass because nothing will compare to it afterwards. We just go out to the desert and shoot for fun so I didn't spend crazy money on mine. I bought a Nikon P-223 and I think I payed around $250.00 for it. I've gone out to 300 yards and can still hit steel with it so for me it works just fine. I've always had my eye on a good Vortex scope but I could never justify spending a couple grand for the shooting that I do.

Don’t ever look through the new Gen3 Razor 6-36x scope then…..I did and have wanted one since! ?

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