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Same my orders been in too :)
I'll take mine before the plug is ready...dual intake sounds like a boost in torque...won't need the plug until I get into the desert...
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So for those questioning the power level.... Understand that it was on a dyno with no true vehicle speed and only wheel speed. Why does this matter? Well there was no positive pressure put on the snorkel. With that said there is a good chance you will actually have just a little bit more power while driving down the road due to the positive pressure effect of the snorkel.
 

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So for those questioning the power level.... Understand that it was on a dyno with no true vehicle speed and only wheel speed. Why does this matter? Well there was no positive pressure put on the snorkel. With that said there is a good chance you will actually have just a little bit more power while driving down the road due to the positive pressure effect of the snorkel.
Wouldn’t the boost-control mechanism negate any ram air effect?
 

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Wouldn’t the boost-control mechanism negate any ram air effect?
To an extent. The posive pressure is still a good thing because of being a true ram air. The same applies for the velocitec(or however its spelled). It give the intake air a more direct path vs the stock trying to get what it can from above the radiator cowl. It can also give you a little bit cooler intake charge as well wich will help with power levels to am extent.
 

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To an extent. The posive pressure is still a good thing because of being a true ram air. The same applies for the velocitec(or however its spelled). It give the intake air a more direct path vs the stock trying to get what it can from above the radiator cowl. It can also give you a little bit cooler intake charge as well wich will help with power levels to am extent.
I’d like to see the dyno graphs that show a performance improvement. It sounds like a bunch of wishful thinking (as in “I wish I hadn’t wasted my hard-earned cash”) to me.
 


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I’d like to see the dyno graphs that show a performance improvement. It sounds like a bunch of wishful thinking (as in “I wish I hadn’t wasted my hard-earned cash”) to me.
Its going to be tough to see a performance increase on the dyno. Why? As stated before you only have wheel speed and not true vehicle speed. That makes it where you do not get the positive pressure effect. Then again are you buying a snorkel just to gain power? No you are buying it for the extra OffRoad protection.
 

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Its going to be tough to see a performance increase on the dyno. Why? As stated before you only have wheel speed and not true vehicle speed. That makes it where you do not get the positive pressure effect. Then again are you buying a snorkel just to gain power? No you are buying it for the extra OffRoad protection.
Keep drinking the kool-aid.
 

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Keep drinking the kool-aid.
You may not like the answer I gave you but you need to understand that it is the truth. With no ram air effect it will be extremely hard to show a power difference especially when the snorkel from Mishimoto is still a little restrictive compared to ARB. Has ARB been able to show some power gain on a dyno? Yes they have and here is a link for it.



Will Mishimoto do something of a similar effect for Power increase? Very possible but only when traveling down the road where the ram air is able to take place.
 

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You may not like the answer I gave you but you need to understand that it is the truth. With no ram air effect it will be extremely hard to show a power difference especially when the snorkel from Mishimoto is still a little restrictive compared to ARB. Has ARB been able to show some power gain on a dyno? Yes they have and here is a link for it.



Will Mishimoto do something of a similar effect for Power increase? Very possible but only when traveling down the road where the ram air is able to take place.
So do you think that an Australian-market Ranger with a different engine, running different fuel, through a different intake system, is sufficiently similar to the North American Ranger that this completely different Mishimoto “snorkel” will produce similar performance gains with the 2.3 EcoBoost?
 

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So do you think that an Australian-market Ranger with a different engine, running different fuel, through a different intake system, is sufficiently similar to the North American Ranger that this completely different Mishimoto “snorkel” will produce similar performance gains with the 2.3 EcoBoost?
So you didnt read my post did you? That's fine. Until you understand Ram Air you will not understand. If you are lucky maybe someone else can turn your slow machine thinking into fast machine thinking where you can understand it all.
 

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Its going to be tough to see a performance increase on the dyno. Why? As stated before you only have wheel speed and not true vehicle speed. That makes it where you do not get the positive pressure effect. Then again are you buying a snorkel just to gain power? No you are buying it for the extra OffRoad protection.
I'm not ashamed to admit it not only look badass but ramming fresh air is a bonus...
 

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So do you think that an Australian-market Ranger with a different engine, running different fuel, through a different intake system, is sufficiently similar to the North American Ranger that this completely different Mishimoto “snorkel” will produce similar performance gains with the 2.3 EcoBoost?
The Australian video isn’t done in a wind tunnel, so they are demonstrating improved performance on their model of the Ranger with zero ram-air effect? Shouldn’t that work the same for our trucks ?
 

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The Australian video isn’t done in a wind tunnel, so they are demonstrating improved performance on their model of the Ranger with zero ram-air effect? Shouldn’t that work the same for our trucks ?
Perhaps you also missed the part where I stated the Mishimoto snorkel is more restrictive compared to the ARB snorkel
 

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So you didnt read my post did you? That's fine. Until you understand Ram Air you will not understand. If you are lucky maybe someone else can turn your slow machine thinking into fast machine thinking where you can understand it all.
I know what ram air is, and how it works. None of that has anything to do with what you are saying.
 

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The Australian video isn’t done in a wind tunnel, so they are demonstrating improved performance on their model of the Ranger with zero ram-air effect? Shouldn’t that work the same for our trucks ?
Nick did say that the static dyno test net 10 extra torque...I'd imagine with actual ram pressure while accelerating, that number could increase...
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