American Flag - Muted: Can anyone use?

[VAMike]

I mentioned two sources: flag code and army regs.

This site sums it up for army reg 670-1

https://www.thebalancecareers.com/why-is-the-u-s-flag-worn-backwards-on-army-uniforms-3357002

One side is worn opposite.

You didn't quote the flag code because the flag code says no such thing. The army regs are a post-vietnam invention that is completely irrelevant unless you are in the army and trying to figure out what to put on your uniform. (Hint: your ranger isn't in the army and isn't part of any uniform.)

If you want to put a backwards flag on your truck you certainly have the right to. But to tell someone else that they have to put a backwards flag on their truck or that putting a normal flag on their truck is wrong is...not correct.

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[GTGallop]

Thanks for the help and encouragement gents!

 

[Mike in UT]

Was going to put a few muted American Flags on my truck right below the side vents. Was told by a neighbor that indicates former military (I'm not former mil, just patriotic) and that it would be "theft of honor."

Theft of Honor is definitely not my goal and neither is passing myself off as mil / ex-mil.

Is that really a thing? Only Military or Ex-Military should use the muted flag? I'm pretty sure it's covered by the first amendment but also not looking to ruffle any feathers - especially of those who served.

I was in the army for 24 years. I wouldn't be bothered at all by this.

 

[Msfitoy]

If it's ok to burn the flag, it's dam well ok to display it...

 

[P. A. Schilke]

Hi Folks,

I am a military brat. I proudly display the flag when I so choose, but honor some of the conventions...at Dusk I bring in the flag as I do not have a light on it (I am aware this is old school and you can leave it in the dark) Whether it is field of blue forward or aft is not an issue....if you display it you are a proud American...

Libs in our HOA decided to stop flying a flag as it was a violation of the HOA rules. I stuck the flag out there and brought in a portable light and kept it out front. Since I have an attorney benefit via Ford benefits, I had the attorney write a letter to the board demanding that the flag can be displayed for what ever reason. I threatened to sue....the HOA attorney told these libs to not go down the path as they would loose big time so the libs relented. Subsequently we voted them off the HOA board.

I will proudly display the Flag when ever I want!

Sincerely,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

 

[HighCaliberMitch]

You didn't quote the flag code because the flag code says no such thing. The army regs are a post-vietnam invention that is completely irrelevant unless you are in the army and trying to figure out what to put on your uniform. (Hint: your ranger isn't in the army and isn't part of any uniform.)

If you want to put a backwards flag on your truck you certainly have the right to. But to tell someone else that they have to put a backwards flag on their truck or that putting a normal flag on their truck is wrong is...not correct.

The flag code mentions field of stars on the left for displays on any vertical surface.

But it is talking About a flag, not patches. I furthered the argument for both being different based on army reg 670.

I can offer two pieces of information that can clarify a question.

He wanted to know how to display two flags on a truck, so I offered two sources for direction. Just because his truck or him or me or anyone isn't in the army doesn't preclude him from displaying flags in such a way.

And I also don't understand why it being post Vietnam matters if your argument is that none of it matters.

Your tone and abruptness leaves me to believe you are emotionally charged and will begin verbally assaulting me over some flag stickers , so I think it's best if I stop watching this thread.

 

[Msfitoy]

The flag code mentions field of stars on the left for displays on any vertical surface.

But it is talking About a flag, not patches. I furthered the argument for both being different based on army reg 670.

I can offer two pieces of information that can clarify a question.

He wanted to know how to display two flags on a truck, so I offered two sources for direction. Just because his truck or him or me or anyone isn't in the army doesn't preclude him from displaying flags in such a way.

And I also don't understand why it being post Vietnam matters if your argument is that none of it matters.

Your tone and abruptness leaves me to believe you are emotionally charged and will begin verbally assaulting me over some flag stickers , so I think it's best if I stop watching this thread.

Please don't let one sour apple run you off...

 

[Fjoyner]

The flag is properly displayed with the stars upper left. Upper right is used on uniforms.

Displayed in a fixed position, the blue field is always in the upper left corner, whether the flag is displayed horizontally or vertically. When in motion, the blue field is always forward, thus on the driver's side of the vehicle, blue field is upper left as usual. Same flag displayed on the passenger side, in order for the blue field to be forward, the flag would be displayed with the blue field in the upper right. That's the tough one to understand maybe, but that's correct. It follows the rule that the flag will never retreat.

Yes, I'm a veteran and it is everyone's flag, please display it if you want. The flag certainly doesn't belong to just us veterans.

 

[Dustoff262]

Left side, right side, forward backwards...
The flag never retreats. If you are standing to the right side of the flag you will see the stars forward, as someone would call it "backwards or reversed". First of all, those terms do not apply to our flag. It is never reversed or backwards if the stars are charging forward.

Fly your colors. Its your flag and the position of honor is always forward, whether from the left side or right side. Be a proud patriot, and not a prude or obnoxious one.

Just take a look at the flag raising on Iwo Jima. Nothing backwards about it at all. Ever forward, face the enemy head on.
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[Snorebaby]

Same here, think it was 2006. Can't stand the line or ride anymore. So that kind of sux.
But stood the line many times in tears with my brothers and sisters and there is nothing more humbling and heart wrenching imho as being right there for someone you never knew.

Sometimes family members are angry and I understand that. I was standing at the beginning of a line when a women, think (daughter), come running at me with anger in her eyes. I stood fast and thought she was going to clobber me. Next thing you know, she gave me the most strongest hug I ever gotten from someone outside my friends and family circle. She said 'crying, thank you for being here".... hard to top that...
???

Yep...my eyesight has gotten blurry in many a flag line and sometimes when doing an escort. That's awfully hard trying to ride with blurry eyes. Graveside is hard when Taps starts.

The family is most of the time so appreciative that there emotions run over to you. I always respond with "It is my honor to be here".

You don't have to stand or ride. We have vet that is to the point of he can't stand more than five minutes without pain, so he has a chair and us usually at the beginning of the flag line. He drives his car instead of riding. Being there for the fallen veteran is the most important part.

 

[GTGallop]

Ok....
New Flag Debate.

The Truck is named Col. Travis.
Do I go with the US Flag?
The Texas Flag (I live in AZ now)?
Or the Alamo Flag?

I'm still thinking the US Flag.

 

[BHunted]

Ok....
New Flag Debate.

The Truck is named Col. Travis.
Do I go with the US Flag?
The Texas Flag (I live in AZ now)?
Or the Alamo Flag?

I'm still thinking the US Flag.

Make your own decision. If 5 pages ain't enuff, well..... egadz

 

[El Renno]

Was going to put a few muted American Flags on my truck right below the side vents. Was told by a neighbor that indicates former military (I'm not former mil, just patriotic) and that it would be "theft of honor."

Theft of Honor is definitely not my goal and neither is passing myself off as mil / ex-mil.

Is that really a thing? Only Military or Ex-Military should use the muted flag? I'm pretty sure it's covered by the first amendment but also not looking to ruffle any feathers - especially of those who served.

DEFINITELY not theft of honor. The military does not have sole ownership of the flag. Go ahead and show it proudly. Here's mine, with reversed flag on opposite fender.

(Oh, and I am also a vet.)

 

[GTGallop]

Perfect for the rear window.

 

[Kaladin]

Having the option in AZ, I went with a center position.

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