Is this true? MUST finish drain and refill in 10 mins or RISK involved

[Mokume]

Just a simple lesson to never assume you know everything! I was instructed in trade school to always refer to all the resources available to you. All our tests were open book because of this. I have see stuff like this first hand....


I worked with an old school mechanic about 8 years ago. He was given an oil change and brake inspection on a second gen Ford Focus. He was doing his job inspecting the whole car and found it had a front main seal leak. He up-sold the customer on it and they bought the job. Instead of looking up the proper procedure, he just started busting everything apart. He started pulling the crankshaft pulley off, heard a ratcheting/slipping noise, and thought nothing of it. He finished the job and started the car but it wouldn't start. We found that the crankshaft is not keyed and uses a metallurgical friction fit to hold the timing chain sprocket in place. The engine was damaged beyond repair, due to damage to the cylinder head and pistons. He ruined an engine because he just assumed every engine is built like and old school American V8.


Assuming, will at the very least, make an a$$ out of yourself and maybe other people too

Excellent post!
Like the bumper sticker says "Assume nothing".

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[PNW_Ranger87]

Huh, I've never heard of this. Good thing it doesn't apply to the engine we have in NA because I just did my oil change on Sunday and I'm pretty sure I watched half of a football game with the plug out.

 

[lohchief]

Back in the days of distributors,after a fresh build or rebuild,used an old distributor shaft on a drill and primed the oil galleries until at least 40psi showed .Priming done.

 

[I_smell_like_diesel]

I used to work as a Heavy Engine Mechanic for a GM dealer. I've torn down many engines to only replace pistons and rings. I personally prefer to pressure prime an engine with oil but "Flat Rate" compensation for mechanics takes the pride and care out of the trade (only was paid 6 hours for a whole day job, which is why I refuse to work flat rate now). I've never had an issue starting up a reassembled engine with assembly lube and a mugged up oil filter.

If you've ever had the awesome opportunity to build and engine from scratch, you can appreciate the comfort that every nook and cranny has been primed with oil before firing your engine. If you've even build up a flat tappet engine, you know the importance of this. Starting a newly built engine only to take it up to 2000 rpm and above, to break in a camshaft and lifters is nerve racking to say the least.

 

[P. A. Schilke]

I used to work as a Heavy Engine Mechanic for a GM dealer. I've torn down many engines to only replace pistons and rings. I personally prefer to pressure prime an engine with oil but "Flat Rate" compensation for mechanics takes the pride and care out of the trade (only was paid 6 hours for a whole day job, which is why I refuse to work flat rate now). I've never had an issue starting up a reassembled engine with assembly lube and a mugged up oil filter.

If you've ever had the awesome opportunity to build and engine from scratch, you can appreciate the comfort that every nook and cranny has been primed with oil before firing your engine. If you've even build up a flat tappet engine, you know the importance of this. Starting a newly built engine only to take it up to 2000 rpm and above, to break in a camshaft and lifters is nerve racking to say the least.

Hi Chris,

Done this many times for my SuperVee race car...I used an accusump to generate about 30psi before even turning over the motor and starting it. The IDA webers primed with starting fluid....right up to 2000rpm...Isky cam loving it...30 minutes at 2000 rpm on a brand new rebuild... Those were the days, Alas..now I pop the hood on my Ranger and I cannot even find the engine!

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

 

[lohchief]

Hi Chris,

Done this many times for my SuperVee race car...I used an accusump to generate about 30psi before even turning over the motor and starting it. The IDA webers primed with starting fluid....right up to 2000rpm...Isky cam loving it...30 minutes at 2000 rpm on a brand new rebuild... Those were the days, Alas..now I pop the hood on my Ranger and I cannot even find the engine!

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

It's under a big piece of plastic.....I hope ;}>

 

[P. A. Schilke]

It's under a big piece of plastic.....I hope ;}>

Hi George,

After an extensive search...I found it! Well...at least from the underside, I found the oil pan...

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

 

[levimac`]

Purchase order an

Just an FYI I found. My whole adult vehicle owning life I ALWAYS did my own oil changes but it was a leap of faith to begin with anyway - going with this engine as I have always been a Chevy V8 Guy. Had my Avalanche 15 years, but I really like my Ranger. My XLT came with 3 years of oil changes at no cost to me (That I know of) It wasn't on the contract to purchase I signed. When I questioned it and said I would rather have the $398 they charged back to service for it they said they backed out of their cost and it was a present to me, no charge. Use it or not, no difference. So with 6-7 quarts of mobile 1 and a oil filter is on them for awhile... :^)

You might check your purchase order and compare it with the bank contract if your making payments and see if any figures are different if your not completely sure, I say that because you Say "(That I know of)".
I have 3 years on mine also but it is 299.00 for 6 oil changes that I lose if I don't use in the 3 year period. But Ford auto ranch adds two more on at the end so supposedly I get a total of eight in four years, their parent Fca for Ram never told me that though when I purchased My Ram back in October of 18. I sure hope your right and the dealer threw in the oil changes, but sometimes those guys just spout off to please us, their customers.
When I started buying these things 3000 in 1969 and now WHOOPTY DO.
Merry xmas and a happy new year

 

[levimac`]

Hi Folks,

We do not own Mazda, so not applicable.

I change my own oil...even my Cat C7, which takes 19 quarts of oil... I have all day as a retired person...although I have to say the cranky 70 old body complains about sliding under the truck....sigh!

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

Ya, for sure I know what your talking about when you when you say "cranky old 70 year old body" I will be 73 in February.
Say Phil, isn't priming the oil pump when we put oil in the oil filter before we screw it onto the filter housing? Just saying, aren't we encouraged to do that anyway?
If it isn't it would be hard to prime the oil pump that is down in the oil pan wouldn't?.

 

[P. A. Schilke]

Ya, for sure I know what your talking about when you when you say "cranky old 70 year old body" I will be 73 in February.
Say Phil, isn't priming the oil pump when we put oil in the oil filter before we screw it onto the filter housing? Just saying, aren't we encouraged to do that anyway?
If it isn't it would be hard to prime the oil pump that is down in the oil pan wouldn't?.

Hi Levi,

I have always filled the new oil filter before installing, pouring the fresh oil in the filter from the "outside" set of holes, but with the 5G Ranger where it is sideways, I think I will install dry. Will have to see in the owners manual if this is covered. I do know that the filter is installed dry at the engine plant but do not know if the engine is cranked over without starting during "hot test"..before switching on the PCM function... My CAT C7 does say to install dry, but I fill it anyways as it is a 2 qt filter...Quite heavy to hold up and install . Really liked the days when all the motors took an FL1 filter...These dinky little fliters do the job, but always wondered if bigger is better....

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

 

[ch47dmechanic]

Some modern diesel engines still have this problem. For example, MTU (think very large 1500+ HP engines) still requires a pre-lube procedure to be completed after any oil change and furthermore, the oil filters are installed in a downward sloping angle so the oil runs out of them when the engine is off. This is especially a concern for generator setups that sit without running for long periods of time. In fact, MTU’s own engineering team states that if the engine isn’t started and ran at least every 30 days, the main bearings will likely fail when and if the engine starts on its own due to a grid power loss. In fact, we had an engine powering a 2 megawatt generator end with less than two hours of run time do this at a hospital. Blew a hole right in the side of the block when it threw the rod. That’s a $1.5 million dollar mistake.

 

[RedlandRanger]

Hi Levi,

I have always filled the new oil filter before installing, pouring the fresh oil in the filter from the "outside" set of holes, but with the 5G Ranger where it is sideways, I think I will install dry. Will have to see in the owners manual if this is covered. I do know that the filter is installed dry at the engine plant but do not know if the engine is cranked over without starting during "hot test"..before switching on the PCM function... My CAT C7 does say to install dry, but I fill it anyways as it is a 2 qt filter...Quite heavy to hold up and install . Really liked the days when all the motors took an FL1 filter...These dinky little fliters do the job, but always wondered if bigger is better....

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

Phil -

I filled mine about halfway before installing it and even though it is sideways it worked fine. I've changed my oil myself for years and only within the last few years have started filling the filter. Never thought about it before and heard about it and it makes a lot of sense to get the oil thru the system faster.

 

[chuck stein]

Hi Levi,

I have always filled the new oil filter before installing, pouring the fresh oil in the filter from the "outside" set of holes, but with the 5G Ranger where it is sideways, I think I will install dry. Will have to see in the owners manual if this is covered. I do know that the filter is installed dry at the engine plant but do not know if the engine is cranked over without starting during "hot test"..before switching on the PCM function... My CAT C7 does say to install dry, but I fill it anyways as it is a 2 qt filter...Quite heavy to hold up and install . Really liked the days when all the motors took an FL1 filter...These dinky little fliters do the job, but always wondered if bigger is better....

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

If you quickly fill the center of the filter up with oil and let that soak in for a few min, you can screw it on w/o it spilling out, and a few min after that the oil will start to fill back into the filter hole on engine.

 

[P. A. Schilke]

If you quickly fill the center of the filter up with oil and let that soak in for a few min, you can screw it on w/o it spilling out, and a few min after that the oil will start to fill back into the filter hole on engine.

Hi Chuck,

Really not a good idea to fill via the center hole. Oil comes into the filter through the circle of little holes and out the bearings through the center hole. Pouring fresh oil through the circle of oil means if there was even the slightest contamination with dirt, etc, the filter medium traps it.

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

 

[lohchief]

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Hi Levi,

I have always filled the new oil filter before installing, pouring the fresh oil in the filter from the "outside" set of holes, but with the 5G Ranger where it is sideways, I think I will install dry. Will have to see in the owners manual if this is covered. I do know that the filter is installed dry at the engine plant but do not know if the engine is cranked over without starting during "hot test"..before switching on the PCM function... My CAT C7 does say to install dry, but I fill it anyways as it is a 2 qt filter...Quite heavy to hold up and install . Really liked the days when all the motors took an FL1 filter...These dinky little fliters do the job, but always wondered if bigger is better....

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

My last new vehicle,a 2015 ram promaster city wagon,I ran royal purple AND their microfiber filter. Had the oil changed once a year,and it was still very very clean. Cleaner than any other oil/filter combo I had tried. And yes,that includes Mobile 1 full synth.

This time around I will go with all Amsoil/filters. Eng,trans/transfer case/front and rear diffs. When I was a kid back on the dairy farm we had a sayin',"grease is cheaper than parts". I imagine I will get the engine oil/filter done this jan.

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