Traction control, advance trak issues, Cannot disable nanny.

[Cabose-1]

I have an XLT 4x2. No locking diff. I have some serious questions about the advance trak and traction control. I cant figure these things out and trying to see how it works for when I am in the sand or in the mud. Trying to see how it works now before I do it on the fly when I need it most since I do not have a 4x4. I am able to get one tire in the air due to the angle of my driveway. This pickup has no articulation.
With the traction control on, I can hear the vehicle taking power away with the transmission and the brakes. normal.
With the traction control off, I can hear the brakes being applied on and off and eventually my vehicle starts to move forward, in surges as the power to the axle is being shifted and brakes are applied. I can feel the pedal, then as the tire in the air begins to hit the concrete the tire spins gaining a little more traction, still feel the surging to the other tire, a little smoke from the tire in the air (as it makes light contact with the concrete) and it finally goes up the drive way.
With the acvanced trak off, it feels like it does with the traction control off. the traction control light flashes and nothing new happens. Yes I hold down the button for 10 seconds until the display says advance trak off.
I want my tires or tire to spin like an old 1980 f250 4x2 with no nanny controls or computer to run brakes or tranny or anything else. all manual control to me, but the vehicle insists on being a nanny to limit wheel spin. I want no nanny controls! just good ol fashioned manual control of my pickup.
is there something i am missing to get it to do what I want? the steep incline of my drive way, does it know the tire is off the ground, will it act different in sand or mud.....??? is the car smarter than me? apperently because i cant get it to do what i want. some insight would be nice before it really gets hairy on my beach travels or my camping and hunting trips.

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[CB750F]

Hey, I don't know much but someone should be posting soon to explain.
To quote a movie.... "The nannies are strong in this one"

So far I only used the locking diff which was fun. Found out quick one should not turn on dry asphalt with it engaged.

Enjoy your truck! ?

 

[P. A. Schilke]

Hey, I don't know much but someone should be posting soon to explain.
To quote a movie.... "The nannies are strong in this one"

So far I only used the locking diff which was fun. Found out quick one should not turn on dry asphalt with it engaged.

Enjoy your truck! ?

Hi CB,

Not sure what you mean on explaining, but We at Ford held an advanced off road school for Engineers that were involved with ride and handling. Back in the day we taught how to handle off road with an open differential when the vehicle was teeter totting with a front right wheel off the ground and a left rear off the ground. You gained traction by using your left foot to apply the brake to the spinning wheels which transferred torque to the opposite wheel and you could drive out of otherwise "stuck" situations....this what the ABS system is doing via the terrain management system. It does for you what we had to do via left foot braking in off road situations.

Does this help?

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

 

[Cabose-1]

Hi CB,

Not sure what you mean on explaining, but We at Ford held an advanced off road school for Engineers that were involved with ride and handling. Back in the day we taught how to handle off road with an open differential when the vehicle was teeter totting with a front right wheel off the ground and a left rear off the ground. You gained traction by using your left foot to apply the brake to the spinning wheels which transferred torque to the opposite wheel and you could drive out of otherwise "stuck" situations....this what the ABS system is doing via the terrain management system. It does for you what we had to do via left foot braking in off road situations.

Does this help?

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

Yes that is what i was expecting to happen with the traction control off. That the computer would apply break to the spinning wheel to let the unmoving wheel turn. It just seemed to do it in a relly slow manner, with not enough wheel spin to get me out of the mud. So to speak. Which is why I turned off advanced track to do it the old-fashioned way applying brakes. But the computer seemed to want to take over. I realize it is not a 4x4. But as a kid in my youth, the sand and muddy hills where my kryptonite. Trying to use new tech to my advantage, and be able to use old fashioned methods if needed. Basically trying to turn off the nanny devices on the pickup, they seem to stay on. I dont have the need for a 4x4, but fight mud in the winter at the deer lease. Have been good as long as i dont fall in a ditch. But i do need tire spin. I have seen the 4x4s in the mud, so.... software? Old school methods dont work on new trucks? Heading to the beach this weekend, hoping the computer lets me be. Or helps.

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