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Anyone else have a strip of duct tape holding up the corner of, what appears to be, a sound deadening panel on the underside of the truck? Saw it a couple weekends ago when I was putting the running boards on but forgot to get a pic. Pretty sure it's not gonna stand the test of time exposed on the underside.
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I don't see any duct tape....
Will grab a pic as soon as I get a chance but I wanna say it was in this area. Maybe there was a shortage of whatever button snaps they use to hold them on. Probably take it to the dealer and show them to see what they say.

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Well no time like the present. Plus the truck is pretty easy to slide under. Here it is, as best I could get from the garage floor.

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It looks to me like they used it to hold the panel when they installed the fastener. The worker probably just forgot to take it off.

I'd say no worries.
 

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It looks to me like they used it to hold the panel when they installed the fastener. The worker probably just forgot to take it off.

I'd say no worries.
Tend to agree. Still, kinda unnerving and funny at the same time.
 

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My 2020 has several areas of misalignment. Took to the dealer and they wanted to keep it 3 or 4 days and NOT provide a loaner car. Ford - Poor quality control and poor customer service.
 

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I remember the cars from the 1970's.
Fit and finish was horrible across the board.
Quality was measured more in function and reliability.
One of my Pintos had a small leak in the rear window which was fixed with little effort.

The car never left me stranded though...
Even after it got flipped end over end and rolled in an accident , I drove it to work the next day. and every thing still functioned as new.
A friend had a Corolla which was bumped at a stoplight and dismissed as no apparent damage.
Next day he discovered that the driver's seat would not adjust... upon inspection it was discovered That the car was so twisted and out of alignment that it had to be totaled.
Maybe a little duct tape would have fixed it??
It did come with relatively great fit and finish though... (origami?)
 
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I remember the cars from the 1970's.
Fit and finish was horrible across the board.
Quality was measured more in function and reliability.
One of my Pintos had a small leak in the rear window which was fixed with little effort.

The car never left me stranded though...
Even after it got flipped end over end and rolled in an accident , I drove it to work the next day. and every thing still functioned as new.
A friend had a Corolla which was bumped at a stoplight and dismissed as no apparent damage.
Next day he discovered that the driver's seat would not adjust... upon inspection it was discovered That the car was so twisted and out of alignment that it had to be totaled.
Maybe a little duct tape would have fixed it??
It did come with relatively great fit and finish though... (origami?)
yes, old cars were built with strong frames while new cars are designed to deform to protect the occupants. this was news 30 years ago, and is a major reason that death rates in vehicles declined for decades (until recently, when increased speeds and distracted driving finally exceeded the ability to engineer safety in the face of human stupidity).
 

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yes, old cars were built with strong frames while new cars are designed to deform to protect the occupants. this was news 30 years ago, and is a major reason that death rates in vehicles declined for decades (until recently, when increased speeds and distracted driving finally exceeded the ability to engineer safety in the face of human stupidity).
The two cars mentioned were both the same year and both unibody with 5mph impact bumpers...
And it was 45 years ago.
And the point was that some folks confuse quality with fit and finish.
The latter is merely a small part of the former.
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The two cars mentioned were both the same year and both unibody with 5mph impact bumpers...
And it was 45 years ago.
What's your point? If one of the cars rolled and didn't deform at all, it sounds like it was a crap design for occupant safety. Anecdotally some people will walk away from crashes in unsafe cars, but a lot of people who would have survived in a safer design, won't. I don't see something like that and think "wow, what a great strong car", I think "wow, what a death trap". 45 years ago was well after engineers knew that crumple zones improved safety (they debuted in production cars in the 50s) but was still early enough that some manufacturers were still fighting about whether safety was something desirable in a car and nobody had great methods for designing a vehicle for occupant safety. (Hell, it was only 8 years after seat belts moved from optional extra to federal requirement.) Back in '76 cars sucked (sorry, old guys who still think that giant piece of american steel was the best thing ever) and crash survivability was just starting to be a thing. Some cars were better, some were worse, but there was nowhere near the level of analysis that there is today and no good way to retrospectively compare vehicles using modern safety standards. Fun fact: the modern crash dummy was invented 45 years ago; it took a few years for manufacturers to get shamed/coerced/marketing'd into making cars that wouldn't kill the dummy. (We're still working on pickups that won't maim the dummy!)
 

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What's your point? If one of the cars rolled and didn't deform at all, it sounds like it was a crap design for occupant safety. Anecdotally some people will walk away from crashes in unsafe cars, but a lot of people who would have survived in a safer design, won't. I don't see something like that and think "wow, what a great strong car", I think "wow, what a death trap". 45 years ago was well after engineers knew that crumple zones improved safety (they debuted in production cars in the 50s) but was still early enough that some manufacturers were still fighting about whether safety was something desirable in a car and nobody had great methods for designing a vehicle for occupant safety. (Hell, it was only 8 years after seat belts moved from optional extra to federal requirement.) Back in '76 cars sucked (sorry, old guys who still think that giant piece of american steel was the best thing ever) and crash survivability was just starting to be a thing. Some cars were better, some were worse, but there was nowhere near the level of analysis that there is today and no good way to retrospectively compare vehicles using modern safety standards. Fun fact: the modern crash dummy was invented 45 years ago; it took a few years for manufacturers to get shamed/coerced/marketing'd into making cars that wouldn't kill the dummy. (We're still working on pickups that won't maim the dummy!)
My point was well made to the sentient.
In addition, I didn't say that the car didn't deform at all.
Secondly , both cars were built to meet the EXACT same DOT minimum safety standards.
It sounds as if you know as much about automotive safety as Ralph Nader....Congratulations.

Sorry , normal production cars didn't even get collapsible steering columns until the late sixties,
The ruse of "crumple zones" came as the result of makers wanting to do away with the 5MPH bumpers of the seventies because of the weight and expense.

I once owned a Corvair too, great fit and finish... POOR quality!
 
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Secondly , both cars were built to meet the EXACT same DOT minimum safety standards.
...which were crap compared to current standards. And irrelevant, as it's a minimum standard, and some cars are designed to exceed the minimum standard. Or do you really believe that every new car on the road today behaves exactly the same because it complies with the same minimum standard?

Sorry , normal production cars didn't even get collapsible steering columns until the late sixties,
What do steering columns have to do with crumple zones? I mean, it's good that modern steering columns are no longer crushing/impaling people, but it's also (in my opinion) beneficial for people to not be killed by other parts of the car. I'm in favor of front windshields collapsing under impact and seatbelts and a zillion other changes we've seen over the years--I don't see a reason to just pick one and decide it's enough.

The ruse of "crumple zones" came as the result of makers wanting to do away with the 5MPH bumpers of the seventies because of the weight and expense.
Yeah, ok. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. You don't know when crumple zones were invented, or you just don't believe in them? Whatever, really doesn't matter. The science is pretty clear that occupant safety is improved when the car absorbs impacts away from the passenger cabin. Yeah, it means small crashes result in more damage as a trade off for fewer people dying in big crashes. The next big changes will probably be driven by reducing how many people get killed when cars hit them, and you'll probably be losing your shit over what that does to the design of the front end and recounting amusing stories of the good old days when a guy could run a model A over a dozen kids without even slowing down.
 

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My fathers twin rolled a Volvo in ‘79 at highway speeds. My aunt ended up in the back seat looking at the back of my uncle’s head while they tumbled. They both survived with minor injuries. My father bought a Volvo soon after.
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