Improved transmission pan - does this affect my Ford Protect PremiumCARE Basic Care extended service plan?

[Danzona]

Ultimately it's not a ford dealer service department that makes that call - they can say what they have seen or would expect, but it's the warranty department that will decide. Anything a dealer offers will be anecdotal, unless they will guarantee coverage in writing (spoiler: they won't).

The comparison you should be making is not deductible vs cost of putting a pan back on, but cost of putting a pan back on vs having to pay for a new transmission yourself.

Unfortunately that's why I held off, and my transmission just went so glad I did.

Well, all good points, but again - I have no options, as the old pan is gone. I'll call over to the service dept and ask if I can talk to the warranty team - again, I've already spoken directly to the warranty team at Ford Protect and was told there was not an issue with this.

I appreciate you looking out for me - agree I should have probably waited to avoid this concern, but we'll see how it "pans out", yuk, yuk...

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[Deleted User 38384]

Old age! Both are better than 3/36!

My 1st NEW vehicle purchase was a 1992 Ford Bronco XLT 4wd with a 12/12k Drivetrain Warranty !

Both my front spindles were toast at 12,500 miles. The dealership told me "tough " so I called Ford HQ in Detroit to bitch'm out and they agreed to cover the repairs even though I was out of warranty. The dealership didn't like me showing them up so,,, as soon as they handed me the keys and I sat down in the truck the bucket seat back collapsed flat. Those dickhead broke the seat frame and "propped" it up until I sat in it and the entire seat back crumbled. I took it home and welded it in my driveway.

 

[maxbottomtime]

My 1st NEW vehicle purchase was a 1992 Ford Bronco XLT 4wd with a 12/12k Drivetrain Warranty !

Both my front spindles were toast at 12,500 miles. The dealership told me "tough " so I called Ford HQ in Detroit to bitch'm out and they agreed to cover the repairs even though I was out of warranty. The dealership didn't like me showing them up so,,, as soon as they handed me the keys and I sat down in the truck the bucket seat back collapsed flat. Those dickhead broke the seat frame and "propped" it up until I sat in it and the entire seat back crumbled. I took it home and welded it in my driveway.

Which feels silly because the dealership makes money on warranty work, right? Ford foots the bill?

 

[Deleted User 38384]

Which feels silly because the dealership makes money on warranty work, right? Ford foots the bill?

I think they were upset because they wanted to make a lot more money out of my pocket.

 

[Danzona]

UPDATE!

I brought my Ranger in to San Tan Ford in Gilbert, AZ on Monday Jan. 5 to have the harsh shifting issue fixed. They gave me a '24 Bronco Sport to use as a rental during the repairs (which was a really nice vehicle, I really enjoyed driving it).

The service advisor asked me early on if any mechanical changes had been made to the truck, other than the Fitzstick and the extra-capacity Mishimoto pan; there have been none, so I told him no. He then confirmed that they would not consider those changes a problem, only that the technician wanted to be sure he did not cause any damage to any improvements during repairs.

The repairs took 11 days - I got my Ranger back on Friday Jan 16. The technician's summary report attached to my receipt indicated that after he verified my shifting issue, he went through a battery of tests to eliminate various issues. He specifically referred to the procedures he conducted that are described in TSB 25-2134, and ultimately removed the entire valve body for inspection; upon disassembly he discovered that the SSE bore had scoring. He replaced the main control entirely, refilled the transmission to the correct specs (9 qts instead of 7 for the larger pan), installed solenoid ID and cleared the adaptive tables, then road tested and verified repairs.

The service advisor told me that I could expect firmer shifts for the next 500-1000 miles as the TCM re-learned everything, and that I should let him know if any additional problems came about, and to bring it back to them if I noticed anything wrong.

So far, so good - I've driven around 100-150 miles over the long weekend since I picked it up, and although I did notice slightly firmer shifts across the lower gears, it has DEFINITELY improved, and the harsh shift between 3-4 is gone completely. It also smoothed out the change from R to forward gears, which typically "clunked" every 3rd or 4th time I did it.

Total cost to me: $100 (the Premium Care service plan covered the rental and the full repairs).

I know everyone's mileage may vary depending on your service center - but in my case, San Tan completely lived up to the expectations I had for this service plan, and put me back on the road in fine style.

I'll definitely post here if anything changes or goes wrong - I'll be checking the transmission fluid level again soon to make absolutely sure it's correct, but so far - so good!

 

[dozxab]

UPDATE!

I brought my Ranger in to San Tan Ford in Gilbert, AZ on Monday Jan. 5 to have the harsh shifting issue fixed. They gave me a '24 Bronco Sport to use as a rental during the repairs (which was a really nice vehicle, I really enjoyed driving it).

The service advisor asked me early on if any mechanical changes had been made to the truck, other than the Fitzstick and the extra-capacity Mishimoto pan; there have been none, so I told him no. He then confirmed that they would not consider those changes a problem, only that the technician wanted to be sure he did not cause any damage to any improvements during repairs.

The repairs took 11 days - I got my Ranger back on Friday Jan 16. The technician's summary report attached to my receipt indicated that after he verified my shifting issue, he went through a battery of tests to eliminate various issues. He specifically referred to the procedures he conducted that are described in TSB 25-2134, and ultimately removed the entire valve body for inspection; upon disassembly he discovered that the SSE bore had scoring. He replaced the main control entirely, refilled the transmission to the correct specs (9 qts instead of 7 for the larger pan), installed solenoid ID and cleared the adaptive tables, then road tested and verified repairs.

The service advisor told me that I could expect firmer shifts for the next 500-1000 miles as the TCM re-learned everything, and that I should let him know if any additional problems came about, and to bring it back to them if I noticed anything wrong.

So far, so good - I've driven around 100-150 miles over the long weekend since I picked it up, and although I did notice slightly firmer shifts across the lower gears, it has DEFINITELY improved, and the harsh shift between 3-4 is gone completely. It also smoothed out the change from R to forward gears, which typically "clunked" every 3rd or 4th time I did it.

Total cost to me: $100 (the Premium Care service plan covered the rental and the full repairs).

I know everyone's mileage may vary depending on your service center - but in my case, San Tan completely lived up to the expectations I had for this service plan, and put me back on the road in fine style.

I'll definitely post here if anything changes or goes wrong - I'll be checking the transmission fluid level again soon to make absolutely sure it's correct, but so far - so good!

Good to know. I may wait on the Fitzstick and the extra-capacity Mishimoto pan until I am out of warranty in May. It will be 3 years and under 30K miles, so just about time anyway. Got mine at Sanderson but my local dealer in Prescott is Galpin and I have heard things that make me not want to go there for service.

 

[Racket]

The Fitzstick affects changes to the transmission less than any aftermarket pan - it even makes sure you have the correct fluid level so it might 'protect' your warranty. I wouldn't wait to install that. It's the only physical mod I've done to the transmission. We're all pretty apprehensive about the 10R80 and it's a primary driver of why I got an extended warranty. Ford has changed programming for the transmission in some cases so that tells me they know it's susceptible to problems. My concern is that these of use with tunes that address some transmission issues might get scrutiny if/when the transmission acts up.

 

[Stevedbvik1]

Good to know. I may wait on the Fitzstick and the extra-capacity Mishimoto pan until I am out of warranty in May. It will be 3 years and under 30K miles, so just about time anyway. Got mine at Sanderson but my local dealer in Prescott is Galpin and I have heard things that make me not want to go there for service.

Your powertrain warranty is 5 years /60000 miles which includes the transmission.

 

[dozxab]

Your powertrain warranty is 5 years /60000 miles which includes the transmission.

I did an FPP tuner. Pretty sure it only covers the 3/36 warranty. It has been hard to get any real clarity on that.

 

[06Warrior]

I did an FPP tuner. Pretty sure it only covers the 3/36 warranty. It has been hard to get any real clarity on that.

From the original 3/36k as when new.

 

[dozxab]

From the original 3/36k as when new.

That's what I thought.

 

[BaronVonRanger]

Has a survey been done to see if the Ford ranger with the Extended transmission dipstick have the transmission issues verses those with not? It’s a closed system and wondering if the dipstick allows air into the system and thus?

 

[Stevedbvik1]

Has a survey been done to see if the Ford ranger with the Extended transmission dipstick have the transmission issues verses those with not? It’s a closed system and wondering if the dipstick allows air into the system and thus?

The 10R80 transmission is vented and not a closed system.

 

[TJC]

The 10R80 transmission is vented and not a closed system.

And it you don't believe him, overfill it and watch it puke it out the vent port when it heats up a bit.

 

[Stevedbvik1]

And it you don't believe him, overfill it and watch it puke it out the vent port when it heats up a bit.

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