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[MountainGoat]

Good buy! Are you able to get 380 ammo? None around here for months now......Hornady sitting 20 miles north of us and can't get ammo! LOL

It's been around but it's damn expensive compared to 9mm. Not that I was planning on shooting a ton of it.

https://buckinghorseoutpost.com/spe...l-metal-jacket-round-nose-50rds-per-box-53608

Edit: If you want a case it's cheaper at Velocity. They do free shipping and no tax, depending on your state. They even give you a free ammo can with it. Think I'll pick this up.

https://www.velocityammosales.com/products/380-auto-pmc-bronze-90-grain-fmj

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[MountainGoat]

I'm surprised to hear that, mine is actually really nice. I thought about doing the trigger and still might but it shoots pretty good for now.

Of course I had to get one that matched my Ranger. ?

Thats a nice one, mine is similar but a older copper color. But yeah I dunno. I shot a Browning Buckmark that was more accurate. I could send it back to Ruger but I don't feel like doing the back and forth thing.

Same thing with a BCM AR. Least accurate AR I own and the rest I built myself. And everyone hyped over those ARs back then. It shoots huge groups with a 1-6x Burris meanwhile the very first AR I built with cheap parts and a 1-4x Nikon scope is an absolute tack driver compared to it. You'd think it'd be the other way around, just weird luck I guess.

 

[Rinn69]

Do you all have any recommendations on a modest gunsmithing tool kit?
Lots of them on Amazon, but I don't know where to start. Currently I've nothing but my cleaning gear, and some of that is kind of suspect...

But I would like some actual tools...punches and screwdrivers and stuff that are appropriate for minor things on my weapons.

Thanks...

Start with the Wheeler 89 pc screwdriver set. It's the same one we were issued at the Colorado School of Trades gunsmith program. Using "dad's ole screwdriver" will mess up a screw so fast. These are hollow ground and come in multiple thicknesses and widths--ALWAYS use the one that fits snugly into the slot. Any punches will do--I picked up a steel set from Lowes and Amazon is where I got my brass and nylon sets. I also picked up a FAT wrench from Wheeler's (Midway USA), really helpful when installing scopes/rings/bases and any other doo-dads. A small ball-pein hammer and one with a brass side and a nylon side. That should get ya started for what most folks will use.

 

[Langwilliams]

The 1911 just seems to fit my hand perfect. I had a nice Sig C3 1911 4" barrel but I traded it for a Sig 226. Love that 226. I wanted a 1911 to replace the C3 an found a trade in Metro arms import cheap. It's a solid shooter. I was impressed for something I paid $320 for. I may look into replacing the trigger an some other stuff with Kimber parts. The only thing I don't like about a 1911 other than the limited number of rounds is taking it apart to clean an reassembling.

I have a Kel Tec sub 200 that is a great truck gun. It folds an fits in a laptop bag an takes glock magazines. I have a 19 round an a 33 round. They are available in 9mm an .40. Just shoot what ever ammo you plan to use a couple of mags to make sure there isn't a problem. Mine feeds everything but aluminum case. I also have a Mossberg 18.5" 12 ga. like was posted above. nice too. If $h!t got real crazy I'd probably throw the 7.5" AR in a bag an take it.

 

[9zero1790]

Do you all have any recommendations on a modest gunsmithing tool kit?
Lots of them on Amazon, but I don't know where to start. Currently I've nothing but my cleaning gear, and some of that is kind of suspect...

But I would like some actual tools...punches and screwdrivers and stuff that are appropriate for minor things on my weapons.

Thanks...

wilson combat sold a small kit with a 1911 lug tool and 4 punches and little mat. I tried to find a link to it and cant find one. it looks like all the pieces are still for sale just not as a kit anymore.

 

[D Fresh]

It's been around but it's damn expensive compared to 9mm. Not that I was planning on shooting a ton of it.

https://buckinghorseoutpost.com/spe...l-metal-jacket-round-nose-50rds-per-box-53608

Edit: If you want a case it's cheaper at Velocity. They do free shipping and no tax, depending on your state. They even give you a free ammo can with it. Think I'll pick this up.

https://www.velocityammosales.com/products/380-auto-pmc-bronze-90-grain-fmj

I see we're discussing .380 prices even though I can't see the post that started the conversation.

Funny to me that an individual who's so thin-skinned as to use the "ignore" feature would be in this thread, but whatever.

midwayusa.com is one of my favorite suppliers for just about anything gun related. They've had .380 in stock and at good prices, compared to the overall market, since forever. They currently show 50 different varieties of .380 ACP available.

I carry a Sig P238 most days. I don't really do a whole lot of plinking with it so most of what I shoot is carry ammunition. The p238 being rated +P gives me a lot of options. I don't have access to all the fancy gear and gels so I rely heavily on the testing that others have done. On the daily I carry these, from Underwood.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019460725?pid=353830

That LeHigh Xtreme Penetrator bullet creates a hell of a wound channel, doesn't clog, and pentrates repeatable well. All things that are in short supply with 9mm lite.

At pretty much $2/round though the only time I shoot these at the range is when it's time to cycle out the 14 rounds I keep loaded in magazines.

For plinking I go with these dudes.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019076220?pid=158692

These would arguably be suitable for carry as well depending on the application. The flat nose bullet is not a bad carry choice for .380 as most expanding type rounds are inconsitant at best in our little mouse guns.

And at 66 cents/round they're much more economical.

I am curious about Underwood's offering with the Lehigh Maximum Expansion bullet though. I'd like to see some testing on this guy.

That first link of yours looks like a good deal on Speer.

 

[MountainGoat]

I see we're discussing .380 prices even though I can't see the post that started the conversation.

Funny to me that an individual who's so thin-skinned as to use the "ignore" feature would be in this thread, but whatever.

midwayusa.com is one of my favorite suppliers for just about anything gun related. They've had .380 in stock and at good prices, compared to the overall market, since forever. They currently show 50 different varieties of .380 ACP available.

I carry a Sig P238 most days. I don't really do a whole lot of plinking with it so most of what I shoot is carry ammunition. The p238 being rated +P gives me a lot of options. I don't have access to all the fancy gear and gels so I rely heavily on the testing that others have done. On the daily I carry these, from Underwood.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019460725?pid=353830

That LeHigh Xtreme Penetrator bullet creates a hell of a wound channel, doesn't clog, and pentrates repeatable well. All things that are in short supply with 9mm lite.

At pretty much $2/round though the only time I shoot these at the range is when it's time to cycle out the 14 rounds I keep loaded in magazines.

For plinking I go with these dudes.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019076220?pid=158692

These would arguably be suitable for carry as well depending on the application. The flat nose bullet is not a bad carry choice for .380 as most expanding type rounds are inconsitant at best in our little mouse guns.

And at 66 cents/round they're much more economical.

I am curious about Underwood's offering with the Lehigh Maximum Expansion bullet though. I'd like to see some testing on this guy.

That first link of yours looks like a good deal on Speer.

I bought the case from Velocity. They are becoming my new favorite cause free shipping, no tax to MO and no billing/shipping address BS. My billing is a PO box so it creates issues with softy vendors with shitty policies. Price worked out to 32cpr for Velocity and 45cpr for the Speer from Bucking Horse. Had to buy a whole case but now I can practice ripping that little gun out of my pocket to my hearts content.

I have the Xtreme Penetrator already. I agree about the expansion, if not for them I probably would not have gotten a 380. I tried pocket carrying a G43 9mm previously and ended up giving it away last Christmas. 65 grain for the 380 and 65+p grain for my G19 is what I have. They are awesome. There was a study done by the FBI that basically came to the conclusion they are better than all the hollow points tested and a youtuber did a vid with the 65+p 9mm going through soft armor. If anyone is wondering why I'd want light armor piercing pistol rounds look up the machete wielding maniac that had cop rounds (124+p Speer gold dots) bouncing off his jacket. On top of everything the Xtremes recoil less and weigh less.

 

[Rinn69]

I see we're discussing .380 prices even though I can't see the post that started the conversation.

Funny to me that an individual who's so thin-skinned as to use the "ignore" feature would be in this thread, but whatever.

midwayusa.com is one of my favorite suppliers for just about anything gun related. They've had .380 in stock and at good prices, compared to the overall market, since forever. They currently show 50 different varieties of .380 ACP available.

I carry a Sig P238 most days. I don't really do a whole lot of plinking with it so most of what I shoot is carry ammunition. The p238 being rated +P gives me a lot of options. I don't have access to all the fancy gear and gels so I rely heavily on the testing that others have done. On the daily I carry these, from Underwood.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019460725?pid=353830

That LeHigh Xtreme Penetrator bullet creates a hell of a wound channel, doesn't clog, and pentrates repeatable well. All things that are in short supply with 9mm lite.

At pretty much $2/round though the only time I shoot these at the range is when it's time to cycle out the 14 rounds I keep loaded in magazines.

For plinking I go with these dudes.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019076220?pid=158692

These would arguably be suitable for carry as well depending on the application. The flat nose bullet is not a bad carry choice for .380 as most expanding type rounds are inconsitant at best in our little mouse guns.

And at 66 cents/round they're much more economical.

I am curious about Underwood's offering with the Lehigh Maximum Expansion bullet though. I'd like to see some testing on this guy.

That first link of yours looks like a good deal on Speer.

Have you looked at the Norma MHP ? Also available in .380 ACP.

 

[D Fresh]

I bought the case from Velocity. They are becoming my new favorite cause free shipping, no tax to MO and no billing/shipping address BS. My billing is a PO box so it creates issues with softy vendors with shitty policies. Price worked out to 32cpr for Velocity and 45cpr for the Speer from Bucking Horse. Had to buy a whole case but now I can practice ripping that little gun out of my pocket to my hearts content.

I have the Xtreme Penetrator already. I agree about the expansion, if not for them I probably would not have gotten a 380. I tried pocket carrying a G43 9mm previously and ended up giving it away last Christmas. 65 grain for the 380 and 65+p grain for my G19 is what I have. They are awesome. There was a study done by the FBI that basically came to the conclusion they are better than all the hollow points tested and a youtuber did a vid with the 65+p 9mm going through soft armor. If anyone is wondering why I'd want light armor piercing pistol rounds look up the machete wielding maniac that had cop rounds (124+p Speer gold dots) bouncing off his jacket. On top of everything the Xtremes recoil less and weigh less.

Nice to see that your research agrees with mine in regards to the Xtreme Penetrators.


I've been carrying the 90 gr ones to more closely match point of impact with the Sigs that I practice with.

I fully understand that the bullet weight isn't going to make that much of a difference at self protection type ranges. But if I have to attempt a real life Dickens Drill I want all the help I can get.

.380 gets a lot of flack with the availability of modern 9mm ballistics. But I love the round personally.

 

[D Fresh]

Have you looked at the Norma MHP ? Also available in .380 ACP.

I have not.

But I'm a fan of their stuff.

Their TAC.22 is all I feed our 10/22s and .22 pistol.

JHP isn't the best defensive bullet for .380 from my research. Not sure if MHP would perform any different.

But I think I'm gonna check those out, if anything for curiosities sake.

Thank you.

 

[Rinn69]

I have not.

But I'm a fan of their stuff.

Their TAC.22 is all I feed our 10/22s and .22 pistol.

JHP isn't the best defensive bullet for .380 from my research. Not sure if MHP would perform any different.

But I think I'm gonna check those out, if anything for curiosities sake.

Thank you.

It's a solid copper bullet, not jacketed

 

[D Fresh]

It's a solid copper bullet, not jacketed

I saw that, that's why I said I'll have to look into it. I'll have to try to find some .380 monolithic hollow point gel testing.

It's an ongoing debate in the .380 world, like pizza cutters vs steam rollers in the offroad world.

But the problem with hollow points in .380 is that of expansion.

None of them seem to reliably expand even in bare gel. Add even 1 layer of denim and they'll clog and fail to expand the vast majority of the time.

And even if they do expand, penetration is generally not up to par. Most fall well short of FBI standards when they open up. This generally leaves one with a compromise. Width of wound track vs penetration, without reliable enough odds to even make that choice.

From everything I've found the best performers are going to be those that do not rely upon expansion to enhance the wound track. Like the Xtreme Penetrators or a flat nosed bullet. Although overpenetration CAN become an issue with the flat nose.

But now I've got something else to research along with the petal type expanders from Lehigh I showed above. If that MHP can expand more reliably than a JHP it might be yet another option.

 

[Glocker]

I started my new job today at Ammunition Depot...

...and I'm pretty sure I'm going to love it. These are my people!!!!!

 

[BS67]

I started my new job today at Ammunition Depot...

...and I'm pretty sure I'm going to love it. These are my people!!!!!

Very happy for ya, John!

Got any primers for sale???????

 

[Glocker]

Very happy for ya, John!

Got any primers for sale???????

I don't think they sell the components. LOL

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