General Unibody Hate?

[SFB]

that is not a mustang ... 1995 SHO Taurus...... with the Yamaha motor.....like this

Well that is interesting, seems the 21 and newer 5.0 in trucks has a belt driven pump. Prior to 21 and all 5.0s, 5.2s in Mustangs have a crank driven oil pump like the picture I posted.

I certainly prefer the crank driven, over anything else! I am very familiar with this styl of gear pump. We used the same type in many aircraft design pumps. It’s actually called a Ger-Rotor, google it! It’s a nearly bulletproof design that’s been around a very long time

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[TJC]

It's a truck with a covered bed.

no.... NO IT'S NOT!

And this ain't no pickup truck either

And neither are these! The're Rangers ... but they ain't no pickup!

And this one costs almost as much as a Ford Ranger XLT with prices starting at $27,899. But it still ain't no pickup!

 

[Dgc333]

I certainly prefer the crank driven, over anything else! I am very familiar with this styl of gear pump. We used the same type in many aircraft design pumps. It’s actually called a Ger-Rotor, google it! It’s a nearly bulletproof design that’s been around a very long time

Bulletproof except when Ford implements it. When the 5.0 Coyote was first released the gears in the oil pump failed quite often. Do a search on 5.0 Coyote oil pump and you will find all the big late model performance outfits either sell billet gears to go in the stock pump or replacement pumps with billet gears.

 

[Dr_Strangelove]

It's a truck with a covered bed.

That concept will never catch on.

 

[Cmar]

You were close. It is 3 letters. But those letters are POS.

Not quite correct - you left off the E, for expensive. We have a local motoring journalist here I love him he's self funded and an ex automotive engineer. So not only qualified to speak out, but free to let fly as he see's fit. His view on Teslas is they are a type of religion - you either believe or you don't.

 

[Cmar]

I want it. Closest we will ever get to a falcon ute.

Just import one from Australia, are you allowed to register RHD vehicles over there? Get one with the "Barra" 4 litre Twin Cam i6 turbo (360HP) Ford had to de-rate them because they were faster than the 5 litre V8!
But hurry because they stopped making them 7 years ago. https://www.drive.com.au/news/ford-falcon-ute-production-ended-today/

 

[Cmar]

Coyote engine uses a belt to drive the oil pump, inside the engine in oil!

The Ford Panther Ecoblue 2.0 diesel - now standard fitment in the Ranger here also uses this abomination and the cam belt is a wet rubber in oil belt too. A rubber belt running in hot dirty diesel oil changed every 15,000 Km - what could possibly go wrong. Ford maintains this setup will last 10 years- I remain unconvinced.

 

[Cmar]

Is this a ute?
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-cars-vans-utes/carmake-suzuki/carmodel-suzuki_mightyboy/c18320
Girls use to love buying them back in the 1980's

 

[Trustable]

Just import one from Australia, are you allowed to register RHD vehicles over there? Get one with the "Barra" 4 litre Twin Cam i6 turbo (360HP) Ford had to de-rate them because they were faster than the 5 litre V8!
But hurry because they stopped making them 7 years ago. https://www.drive.com.au/news/ford-falcon-ute-production-ended-today/

Man I wish!! I think imports have to be 20 years old possibly? It’s kind of a grey area as I understand it. The cost associated are astronomical. RHD arnt an issue at all. You can order a wrangler with rhd over here no questions asked. I don’t know if I could ever get used to rhd, I think I would be getting in the passenger seat every time LOL.

 

[Alaska Wolf]

I kind of find them to be six of one, a half dozen of another. I think this chart I found pretty well sums things up. They're both great for what they are designed for, but unibody construction was never designed for heavy hauling or off-roading. There are reasons that you don't see Super Duty class unibody trucks. My wife loves her way overpowered AWD Explorer that can only tow 5,000 lbs; but that is more related to the unibody construction than the 400 HP, 500 lb.-ft. 3.5L Ecobeast (easily capable of towing 13,000 lb loads) that is powering it. Would I takes it place I take my Ranger? Nope.

Now I know there are new Maverick Tremors out there, I looked at one and it seems capable; my only question was "is it durable enough?" Car and Driver did a pretty fair minded review of it and one comment stuck out, " Don't confuse the Maverick for a dedicated off-roader like the Jeep Gladiator or even consider it on par with the Ranger, its body-on-frame kin. Ford's tiniest truck has its limitations and won't make it far on truly difficult trail systems. However, it has the hardware to take on obstacles most owners would likely shy away from. " Really good review, but it still didn't answer my question.

Body on Frame Pros:

• Much better off-road vehicles - better able to withstand extreme twisting forces
• Higher hauling and towing capacity
• Cheaper to build and repair
• Produce less road noise
• Better protected from moisture from the road

Body on Frame Cons:

• Heavier than unibody due to heavy steel frame
• Lower fuel economy ratings
• Lacks crumple zones
• Rougher rides on normal roads
• More severe accidents due to lack of crumple zones

Unibody Pros:

• Easier to design
• Better fuel economy
• Rollovers less likely
• Far smoother ride quality

Unibody Cons:

• Less hauling and towing capacity
• Off-roading more difficult - easy to damage crumple zones with extreme twisting forces
• More expensive to repair - usually written off in accidents due to crumple zone damage
• More expensive design and manufacturing costs

 

[Cmar]

Man I wish!! I think imports have to be 20 years old possibly? It’s kind of a grey area as I understand it. The cost associated are astronomical. RHD arnt an issue at all. You can order a wrangler with rhd over here no questions asked. I don’t know if I could ever get used to rhd, I think I would be getting in the passenger seat every time LOL.

Have a look at number six in that link, for a short while Ford Australia actually built 4x4 Falcon utes back in 1970. A few still survive.

 

[Cmar]

Bulletproof except when Ford implements it. When the 5.0 Coyote was first released the gears in the oil pump failed quite often. Do a search on 5.0 Coyote oil pump and you will find all the big late model performance outfits either sell billet gears to go in the stock pump or replacement pumps with billet gears.

Ha I can go one better, the stock pump in the Puma diesels fitted to Rangers outside of the US has a variable oil pump. It's chain driven - which is OK.
And a vane design with a movable outer chamber which effectively changes the stroke -which isn't.
The idea is to reduce the oil volume pumped at high speed on the assumption that a normal gear pump increases the flow rate linearly which in fact is not needed, with most of the extra oil going through the bypass back into the sump and thus wasting energy by needlessly pumping excess oil.
The problem is that under certain conditions this pump will unprime itself when doing an oil change and won't re-prime even when the oil is replaced. Enough engines were trashed during services that Ford had to issue a TSB about oil changes should not take more than 10 minutes.
If your pump unprimes then there are an arcane series of tricks you can try to fix it which include jacking up the back of the vehicle ( to increase the oil height) putting in 15 litres of oil - starting the engine momentarily, then draining out the excess, or putting an air line into the PCV line to try and pressurise the oil back up the pickup to the pump.

Needless to say an aftermarket manufacturer here has come up with a drop in replacement gear pump and is doing a good trade.

 

[SFB]

The Ford Panther Ecoblue 2.0 diesel - now standard fitment in the Ranger here also uses this abomination and the cam belt is a wet rubber in oil belt too. A rubber belt running in hot dirty diesel oil changed every 15,000 Km - what could possibly go wrong. Ford maintains this setup will last 10 years- I remain unconvinced.

I have read that Ford isn't the only company doing this, also what I read said that it is a kevlar belt and should be ok! Yea right, I have a bridge for sale too.

 

[Cmar]

I have read that Ford isn't the only company doing this, also what I read said that it is a kevlar belt and should be ok! Yea right, I have a bridge for sale too.

I guess time will tell. Computer simulations can only be so predictive. What's the bridge like? Well maintained?

 

[SFB]

I guess time will tell. Computer simulations can only be so predictive. What's the bridge like? Well maintained?

Rather heavily used, good price though, in Brooklyn NY

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