News About Ford's F-150 Lightning Causing Customers to Cancel Orders: 'I'm Out'

[got3fords]

I wonder if this is the same conversations that were had when the ICE was put into cars.

Well, I would imagine a more efficient mode of transport, without having to periodically stop for water, food and rest for the poor work animals. And capable of moving people and goods much quicker without the occasional shit along the way, and without being misinformed about who's saving the planet, ICE wins.

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[Jhbryaniv]

Well, I would imagine a more efficient mode of transport, without having to periodically stop for water, food and rest for the poor work animals. And capable of moving people and goods much quicker without the occasional shit along the way, and without being misinformed about who's saving the planet, ICE wins.

And you think the first versions of motor vehicles could travel beyond that of a pack animal or horse-drawn buggy?

 

[got3fords]

And you think the first versions of motor vehicles could travel beyond that of a pack animal or horse-drawn buggy?

no, didn't say that.

 

[Langwilliams]

"The consequence of that kind of battery would be that EVs – even though they have much fewer parts – are significantly heavier than their ICE counterparts. EV trucks and SUVs weigh 2.5 times more than ICE trucks and SUVs. In terms of sedans, the EVs weigh about 30% more than ICE cars." Apr 5, 2023

Even liberal Google admits they are heavier compared to ICE compatible vehicles so yes they will be harder on the roads. The current EVs don't fit my budget or needs right now so I'll weight. Some day I'll probably make the move. It's Just like in the 80's when everyone was saying "I'll never buy one of them new fangled fuel injection cars" only to have them revolutionize engine performance. EVs not ready for everyone everyday yet an IMO have a long ways to go. I think the current battery tech is the limiting factor now, that an the grid can't support a major shift to them yet.

Heard a radio news report today that one of the companies has a battery that looks to deliver over 700 miles of range an charge in 10 minutes. I think it was Toyota. Sounds too good to be true but we'll see.

 

[Jason B]

"The consequence of that kind of battery would be that EVs – even though they have much fewer parts – are significantly heavier than their ICE counterparts. EV trucks and SUVs weigh 2.5 times more than ICE trucks and SUVs. In terms of sedans, the EVs weigh about 30% more than ICE cars." Apr 5, 2023

Even liberal Google admits they are heavier compared to ICE compatible vehicles so yes they will be harder on the roads. The current EVs don't fit my budget or needs right now so I'll weight. Some day I'll probably make the move. It's Just like in the 80's when everyone was saying "I'll never buy one of them new fangled fuel injection cars" only to have them revolutionize engine performance. EVs not ready for everyone everyday yet an IMO have a long ways to go. I think the current battery tech is the limiting factor now, that an the grid can't support a major shift to them yet.

Heard a radio news report today that one of the companies has a battery that looks to deliver over 700 miles of range an charge in 10 minutes. I think it was Toyota. Sounds too good to be true but we'll see.

Even liberal Google exaggerates things. 2.5 times heavier?
They are not, as I posted in this response:

Depends what you are comparing, and the weight differences aren't that drastic.
A Tesla 3 is about 3552 to 4072lbs.
An Ionic 5 is 4034 to 4662.
Ford Explorer is 4600.
Ford Lightning comes in about 6,500, about 1,000 more than the ICE F150.

If the concrete in your drive way or garage can't handle those weights, you got bad concrete.

 

[got3fords]

Depends on which model Tesla you are looking at. Model 3 is the second lightest, but others are quite heavy.

• Tesla Model X Plaid - 5,390 pounds
• Tesla Model X Standard Range - 5,185 pounds
• Tesla Model S Plaid - 4,766 pounds
• Tesla Model S Long Range - 4,561 pounds
• Tesla Model Y Long Range & Performance - 4,416 pounds
• Tesla Model 3 Long Range & Performance - 4,065 pounds
• Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus - 3,582 pounds
• Tesla Roadster - 2,723 pounds

 

[Jason B]

Depends on which model Tesla you are looking at. Model 3 is the second lightest, but others are quite heavy.

• Tesla Model X Plaid - 5,390 pounds
• Tesla Model X Standard Range - 5,185 pounds
• Tesla Model S Plaid - 4,766 pounds
• Tesla Model S Long Range - 4,561 pounds
• Tesla Model Y Long Range & Performance - 4,416 pounds
• Tesla Model 3 Long Range & Performance - 4,065 pounds
• Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus - 3,582 pounds
• Tesla Roadster - 2,723 pounds

Fair point, but not 2.5 times heavier than comparable ICE cars.

 

[Jhbryaniv]

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[ControlNode]

I saw a few Lightnings on my last drive to/from ViR. I thought it funny to be passing the Lightning in my Thunder badged Ranger since my truck does make more noise than this new Lightning does.

 

[LaBalbe]

Fair point, but not 2.5 times heavier than comparable ICE cars.

To be fair, what @Langwilliams quoted was that EV cars were 30% heavier than ICE, which sounds about accurate with the Tesla sedans. Agreed though that the X doesn't weigh 2.5 times a comparable SUV. Hell, even the Hummer EV at just over 9K lbs. isn't quite 2.5 times the H3, which was between 4,600-4,900 lbs., so there's questions to be asked about their comparisons.

 

[Langwilliams]

Even liberal Google exaggerates things. 2.5 times heavier?

That was breaking it down by powertrain weight. An avg gas engine, transmission an tank of fuel vs an electric motor an the massive battery.

 

[TJC]

And you think the first versions of motor vehicles could travel beyond that of a pack animal or horse-drawn buggy?

Horse and wagons were good for, at best 10 miles a day. I have some old friend in Northwest Louisiana speak to me about growing up during the depression when precious few southerners owned automobiles. He took a trip with his father from a small farming community 20 miles northeast of Shreveport. They were traveling south to Logansport, La on the Sabine River by buckboard wagon. The trip took them 9 days travel time to go ~50 miles. As a young boy he had never been farther than the grist mill and general store, let alone into Shreveport. If they pushed the distance out to 10 miles a day the horses needed longer breaks than just over night to recover. He told me the roadways were deep rutted and bumpy. Travel was slow.

He also mentioned to me that at the end of the first day he thought he was in a different world. It was quite an adventure for a 10 year old! They would travel until the horses tired, stop at a farmhouse, and pay for room/board and feed/water for the two horses, and slept in the barn with the animals.

Now on to a few interesting facts. By 1900, there were 33,842 cares registered in the USA. 40% were steam powered, 38% were electric, and 22% were ICE (gas) powered

EV Autos were invented in 1828's by Anyos Jedlik of Hungary, Robert Anderson of Scotland was right behind him in 1830s. The first EV locomotive came along in 1837. They were limited until rechargeable batteries came along in 1859. By 1887 a front wheel drive 4hp Electric Vehicle Company (EVC) Automobile had a top speed of 20mph and could travel 50 miles before needing a charge. The Exide Battery Company was a part of EVC and got its start supplying EV autos with batteries. Think about how hard it was to charge a battery until the US electrical grid was built!

Steam Powered autos were built as early as 1679 - in China! And efforts were well under
way in Europe throughout the 1700's. By 1850 steam power vehicles were being manufactured in the USA. Large scale production began in the USA in the 1880s. At the height of steam auto production there were 80+ manufacturers, but most ceased operation by the mid 1920's.

ICE engine powered autos were the last to be invented, and didn't drive the final nail into the coffin of steam or EV autos until the electric starter was invented. No need to wait for a boiler to heat up with steam, or be limited by distance with the EV.

Both Steam and EV autos are substantially heavier than their ICE counterparts.

 

[TJC]

If you are happy with 50 mile range they are about the same weight as ICE. If you want 500 mile range (Do any actually go that distance?), they are boat anchors.

The lightening won't make it 100 miles towing, even with the boat anchor battery.

 

[ControlNode]

If you are happy with 50 mile range they are about the same weight as ICE. If you want 500 mile range (Do any actually go that distance?), they are boat anchors.

The lightening won't make it 100 miles towing, even with the boat anchor battery.

Lightning towing is not really worth it if I read the limits right. with the tow package on them they are limited to 5,000lb, unless you get a Platinum (almost $100,000) with the "uber" batteries and then you can tow 7,700lb. I can buy 2-3 Rangers (depending on trim level) for that price, each able to tow 7,500lb.

 

[TJC]

Lightning towing is not really worth it if I read the limits right. with the tow package on them they are limited to 5,000lb, unless you get a Platinum (almost $100,000) with the "uber" batteries and then you can tow 7,700lb. I can by 2-3 Rangers (depending on trim level) for that price, each able to tow 7,500lb.

Even with the uber battery you are lucky to get 100 miles out of them when towing!

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