Ford Firing?

[Cmar]

Understood but the CEO did cut corners on validation testing from what I’ve been reading. It’s a very unfortunate situation. There were no real sea trials, yeah some pressure testing. No real world testing as I can ascertain. I find it rather unbelievable the beta test was with passengers. Sometimes ego gets in the way of decision makers, it’s a shame…

Agreed, self certification is not really certification.

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[JohnnyO]

I hope that meeting was recorded.

I don't know but I documented the day and time and who was there.

 

[canyonslicker]

Agreed, self certification is not really certification.

The only silver lining is that they died instantly, still tragic…

 

[JohnnyO]

When FORD inc does fire Farley, math will be the cause. Numbers don't lie.

I suspect that cutting corners to save a few bucks led to a lot more warranty claims and pissed off customers, which ends up costing you money and business in the end.
Would it really break Ford to put more than a teaspoon of grease on Ranger slip yokes and blend door actuators that don't break?

 

[JohnnyO]

The only silver lining is that they died instantly, still tragic…

Bud of mine, Navy vet and submariner, posted something from another Navy guy on FB saying at that depth and pressure the walls of the sub would have collapsed at 2200 mph or about 2 milliseconds and the human brain processes what it sees at 150 milliseconds at best. So they quite literally never knew what happened.

 

[canyonslicker]

Bud of mine, Navy vet and submariner, posted something from another Navy guy on FB saying at that depth and pressure the walls of the sub would have collapsed at 2200 mph or about 2 milliseconds and the human brain processes what it sees at 150 milliseconds at best. So they quite literally never knew what happened.

Yeah my kid builds nuke subs out of Groton CT and I was Navy as well. I get it..

 

[Cmar]

Bud of mine, Navy vet and submariner, posted something from another Navy guy on FB saying at that depth and pressure the walls of the sub would have collapsed at 2200 mph or about 2 milliseconds and the human brain processes what it sees at 150 milliseconds at best. So they quite literally never knew what happened.

Way better than slowly suffocating.

 

[TomC]

Agreed, self certification is not really certification.

well, when the guy says things like this the results are rather predictable. Some rules are more important than others. The ones that have formulas and fall under the title Physics are important.

 

[Dgc333]

Agreed, self certification is not really certification.

FWIW, self certification is the way of the world for most all commercial products these days.

Flip over your PC and look at all the certification marks. Some examples are: the stylized FCC is a US self certification mark, the CE is a European self certification mark and the Tick mark is an Australian self certification mark.

Even the old stalwart safety agencies like Underwriters Laboratory (UL), Canadian Standards Association (CSA) and the German safety agency TUV have self certification programs.

Back in the 90s I was a test engineer at Motorola where I was tasked with all the regulatory testing of our products that allowed them to be sold world wide. The self certification programs took time to market from years to weeks and was very much a financial motivation to setup the necessary inhouse testing facilities that allowed participation in the various programs.

The last 18 years of my career was working on ordinance products in the defense industry. Even here we did all the testing required to certify our products for military use. Of course the government was very much in our knickers dictating what we had to do but none the less we actually performed what needed to be tested.

 

[JohnnyO]

well, when the guy says things like this the results are rather predictable. Some rules are more important than others. The ones that have formulas and fall under the title Physics are important.

News reporting that our most advanced nuclear subs are good for a max of 5000 feet and 4000 feet is considered the max safe depth. But something built with parts from Home Depot is safe for 12,500 feet. Riiight....

 

[Dr. Zaius]

Bud of mine, Navy vet and submariner, posted something from another Navy guy on FB saying at that depth and pressure the walls of the sub would have collapsed at 2200 mph or about 2 milliseconds and the human brain processes what it sees at 150 milliseconds at best. So they quite literally never knew what happened.

At that depth and pressure, they are saying that the collapse would have been so fast that it heated the air inside to the temperature of the sun.

They were all likely incinerated before they knew anything.

Also likely why they are saying very low chance for any recovery of remains.

Here is an example of air compression using a pistol and ballistic gel.

You can see the wound channel closes so fast it ignites the air inside.




As for his claims of "innovation", nothing says innovation like possibly creating a point of failure in your carbon fiber tube by drilling holes in it to mount a monitor.

As to Ford quality, after seeing numerous threads about transmissions now, I'm beginning to seriously ponder trading mine while it is still worth something.

I thought I would be happy with another older Frontier (2011-2015) but after driving the Ranger they now seem less satisfying than mine was when I had it.

Maybe Ford can get their act together.

When they are rated below Jeep you know people are taking notice.

 

[JohnnyO]

As to Ford quality, after seeing numerous threads about transmissions now, I'm beginning to seriously ponder trading mine while it is still worth something.

I thought I would be happy with another older Frontier (2011-2015) but after driving the Ranger they now seem less satisfying than mine was when I had it.

Maybe Ford can get their act together.

When they are rated below Jeep you know people are taking notice.

Ford automatics have been garbage for years. They make great engines, the transmissions not so much. I come from the Sport Trac world where almost everyone's transmissions crap out between 100k and 150k. I lost mine at 132k despite three fluid changes up to that point. My daughter has a 2014 Fiesta she got new and there was a class action lawsuit settlement about the transmissions on those and Focuses. I told her to get a stick, but noooo..... I'm told Super Dutys have trans issues too.

 

[Cmar]

FWIW, self certification is the way of the world for most all commercial products these days.

Flip over your PC and look at all the certification marks. Some examples are: the stylized FCC is a US self certification mark, the CE is a European self certification mark and the Tick mark is an Australian self certification mark.

Even the old stalwart safety agencies like Underwriters Laboratory (UL), Canadian Standards Association (CSA) and the German safety agency TUV have self certification programs.

Back in the 90s I was a test engineer at Motorola where I was tasked with all the regulatory testing of our products that allowed them to be sold world wide. The self certification programs took time to market from years to weeks and was very much a financial motivation to setup the necessary inhouse testing facilities that allowed participation in the various programs.

The last 18 years of my career was working on ordinance products in the defense industry. Even here we did all the testing required to certify our products for military use. Of course the government was very much in our knickers dictating what we had to do but none the less we actually performed what needed to be tested.

The type of self certification of which you speak in not what I meant, in your examples companies are testing their products against a known standard or set of regulations so the customer can have a reasonable expectation of their quality. That's different to self testing something you also designed and made yourself.

"Flip over your PC and look at all the certification marks. Some examples are: the stylized FCC is a US self certification mark, the CE is a European self certification mark and the Tick mark is an Australian self certification mark."
Not mine, I built it myself and I'm sure it works fine - even though I cut a few corners.

 

[Cmar]

Ford automatics have been garbage for years. They make great engines, the transmissions not so much. I come from the Sport Trac world where almost everyone's transmissions crap out between 100k and 150k. I lost mine at 132k despite three fluid changes up to that point. My daughter has a 2014 Fiesta she got new and there was a class action lawsuit settlement about the transmissions on those and Focuses. I told her to get a stick, but noooo..... I'm told Super Dutys have trans issues too.

There was indeed a class action here in Australia as well and then the ACCC stepped in and actually fined Ford $10,000,000 for unconscionable treatment of consumers over their dual clutch transmissions.

 

[Dgc333]

The type of self certification of which you speak in not what I meant, in your examples companies are testing their products against a known standard or set of regulations so the customer can have a reasonable expectation of their quality. That's different to self testing something you also designed and made yourself.

In some cases that is true. Especially in the US product standards that require certification are to protect users from harm they do not ensure functionality or quality. The performance standards are not certification requirements. The US governments expectation is the market will weed out products that do not perform or are of poor quality. Europe has functionality as part of their certification process. Australia is kind of in between. There are business practice (or quality) standards (ie. ISO9000) that are intended to ensure that products are designed properly, are manufactured in a repeatable & consistent manner and that appropriate corrective action is taken when issues arise. They do not define a numeric level of goodness or quality. The automotive and telecom industries have been the most aggressive in implementing the business practice standards.

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