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Oddly enough this is one of the stickers I've had on my Ranger for a long time. Also have a car version on the Mustang. Tesla has a looooooong way to go for working the bugs out.
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The day I can get my hands on a EV Ranger, I will buy it. I'll pay MSRP if I have to. But I don't want an F-150, too big for where I want to go. I'm also not sure about clearance on the Lightning ... it is def built for maximum aero, at least given it starts out as a brick. A little lift will help but approach angles do not look good.
Trivia, but you know that Ford actually had an EV Ranger from 1998-2002.
 
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Trivia, but you know that Ford actually had an EV Ranger from 1998-2002.
Sure enough, in 1998, you could choose from two electric pickup trucks — but unlike the S-10 EV, the Ford Ranger EV continued to be produced until 2002.

The Ranger EV was available with either lead-acid or nickel-metal hydride batteries. It managed a maximum range of 65 miles on a single charge and could go from 0 to 60 miles per hour in about 10 seconds.


https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/ford-ranger-ev-was-fords-response-electric-chevy-s-10-258778
 

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just think, all those granola munchers, climbing mountains, and tweeting the story on instagram complaining about how cutting trees and drilling for oil is terrible for the environment. its ironic
Since so many people around here get a livlihood out of it I am ok with well managed harvests but cutting old growth and tearing up the earth and using up good water to process tar sands, not to mention carbon impact is demonstrably terrible for the environment. this isn't politics, it's science that everyone who cares about their children's future should take the time to understand, and you don't have to like granola to get that. :)?

fwiw, I'd just as soon do without those 5G towers - the fewer places people have to stare at their screens and have every movement they make tracked the better, just IMO.
 

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Wow that’s interesting I had never heard of those electric trucks. Basically they sort-of had golf cart motors and batteries sounds like ha ha!
 


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we have evolved up here in Canada, Interwebs service is available everywhere.
thanks to the forestry industry and the oilfields.
those 5G cell towers....just add water and they grow

just think, all those granola munchers, climbing mountains, and tweeting the story on instagram complaining about how cutting trees and drilling for oil is terrible for the environment. its ironic
Without starting a debate on this subject in the past I did a fair amount of research on this. If you changed the way the world farms (plowing the earth to turn soil) and let top soil alone and plant as well as also stopped over fishing the seas, a carbon regulator all by itself, the ‘global carbon’ issue would correct itself. The planet has been doing this over its entire existence naturally. Look it up, it’s all there in black and white. It’s just the money made for the fix becomes unnecessary
 

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Wow that’s interesting I had never heard of those electric trucks. Basically they sort-of had golf cart motors and batteries sounds like ha ha!
They were really cool, and -- aero issues notwithstanding -- pickup trucks are a great platform for evs since packaging is simpler and they are already designed to handle load.

Also, people obsess about range, but at least up until now I think a good option is to have a cheap-ass low range EV for most of your driving which lets face it for most of us is within 50-100km of home and then an ICE for those longer trips or when you need more capacity or capability.

With larger batteries most of the time you're just carting around 1,000lbs of dead weight.

We have a Nissan Leaf, total appliance of a car, I spent 10k USD for it used, could care less if it gets scratched up or whatever, and in the last five years the only thing we've paid for beyond household current (we're on hydro so no remote CO2 emissions either) is replacing the rotors and discs and that's mostly because I didn't do *enough* hard braking.

Ironically that all made me feel much better about getting a truck. Net I emit way less CO2 then I would if I drove around in a Prius or Hybrid Highlander and I get way more capability out of the combination too.

That said we'd like to be a one vehicle family and an EV truck with 300-400km range would fit the bill perfectly.
 

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Just btw, we take the Leaf up to the ski hill all season long ... Mostly we use the truck only when we have to go up to the hill at different times to pick the kids up or whatever. only been a couple of days where I've felt I really *need* the truck because of road conditions -- and the road up to hill is a washboarded muddy mess often and I can easily get up there with FWD and decent winter tires even with glare ice or 15cm of fresh -- though I admit I've pretended I needed the truck on more than a few occasions. Cause truth be told I'd much rather be driving the Ranger. :lipssealed::rockon:
 

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Without starting a debate on this subject in the past I did a fair amount of research on this. If you changed the way the world farms (plowing the earth to turn soil) and let top soil alone and plant as well as also stopped over fishing the seas, a carbon regulator all by itself, the ‘global carbon’ issue would correct itself. The planet has been doing this over its entire existence naturally. Look it up, it’s all there in black and white. It’s just the money made for the fix becomes unnecessary
There is definetely truth to the part about taking care of soil and oceans since they do provide so much carbon storage capacity (and also because it is the right thing to do anyway) but also without getting into a debate I think the big thing people don't understand is the imporantce of the time scale: the difference between the carbon (air/water/life) cycle which works on order of years and decades and the geological cycle which is on the order of hundreds of thousands and millions of years. Essentially we are taking stuff out of the geological scale and putting it into the air/water scale of time if that makes sense. Basically the problem isn't the carbon itself, it's that we are introducing carbon into the atmosphere at a waaaaay faster rate than the earth can recapture it at. Just think about the energy and resources it takes to extract the carbon and the time it would take to put it back where it came from.
 

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They have soo far to go to scale to Tesla's level.

For 2020 ford made 20,00 Mach-E's
Tesla made 500,000 vehicles.

Ford made ~15,000 Mach-e's in Q1 2021
Tesla made 180,000 vehicles

Next up chip shortages. Almost every automaker vehicle line is down due to chip shortages.
Tesla found new suppliers before the shortages and has only barely felt the impact.
 

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Tesla found new suppliers before the shortages and has only barely felt the impact.
Was it that, or did Tesla just have orders in where other manufacturers cancelled or didn't order more units? I don't know the answer, but I don't think you can just go find another manufacturer that easily.
 

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Was it that, or did Tesla just have orders in where other manufacturers cancelled or didn't order more units? I don't know the answer, but I don't think you can just go find another manufacturer that easily.
Q1 earnings report says
“We were able to navigate through global chip supply shortage issues in part by pivoting extremely quickly to new microcontrollers, while simultaneously developing firmware for new chips made by new suppliers.”
 

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Q1 earnings report says
“We were able to navigate through global chip supply shortage issues in part by pivoting extremely quickly to new microcontrollers, while simultaneously developing firmware for new chips made by new suppliers.”
Copy, so perhaps Tesla is just more agile, or don't have the same engineering processes set in stone. Interesting.
 

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Copy, so perhaps Tesla is just more agile, or don't have the same engineering processes set in stone. Interesting.
Not a fan boy, but the two positive things I think you can say about Tesla is that a) they are wizards at securing supply chain, and of course they are also much more horizontally vertically integrated*; they don't have the same insane dependencies that you see in Detroit and b) with some big exceptions when he is dependent on outside suppliers Elon is forward thinking when it comes to what can be produced efficiently and easily replaceably in the real world, the most obvious example is his decision way back to use 18650 rather than rely on custom cells.

* The irony here is that it was Henry Ford that originally built the vertically integrated production system!

" To complete the vertical integration of his empire, he purchased a railroad, acquired control of 16 coal mines and about 700,000 (285,000 hectares) acres of timberland, built a sawmill, acquired a fleet of Great Lakes freighters to bring ore from his Lake Superior mines, and even bought a glassworks."

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Henry-Ford/Control-of-the-company
 

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Hi Folks,

My neighbor has a Tesla. All I can say is the Wrecker company knows them very well as it is a very normal event to see the rollback in their drive rolling the Tesla onto the platform to be yet again hauled to the repair facility. Rolling piece of junk IMO.
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