[Updated] Ranger Ford Performance Power Pack Performance Tune Software (M-9603-REB) Released!

[SubVet]

You make a good point but it could be a really well though out moderate tune. With a warranty.

It's like anything else. Dealers don't have the best Solutions when it comes to accessories. They sell $100 running boards for 600. The only advantage to this tune which is probably watered down when compared to the others from private companies, is a Ford warranty covering it. It's not that I'm not a fan of tunes I installed Tunes on all my bikes and a few vehicles. I prefer a tune that's not carb compliant. And I want to know it will do a great job and not be handcuffed some arbitrary rule.

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[Frenchy]

It's like anything else. Dealers don't have the best Solutions when it comes to accessories. They sell $100 running boards for 600. The only advantage to this tune which is probably watered down when compared to the others from private companies, is a Ford warranty covering it. It's not that I'm not a fan of tunes I installed Tunes on all my bikes and a few vehicles. I prefer a tune that's not carb compliant. And I want to know it will do a great job and not be handcuffed some arbitrary rule.

Something to remember to is that this also gives you a lot of tools that the factory scan tool would have. Other tuners and most scan tools will allow you to check codes but they won't do a key on engine off test and the key on engine running test. Also you're able to clear kam also known as keep alive memory. Should I mention that you can do misfire correction after you perform a repair? With all this combined into one package you might as well go for it. Yes you're not getting as much power as other tuners but then again do you really need 8 million horsepower? Remember you're not going to the Baja 1000. Most likely you're just going to work in back and hit the occasional trailer towing a trailer here and there.

 

[Sandman Ranger]

Thought it stated if not dealer installed then no warranty available?

Dealer or certified tech. Mentioned in first post.

Come on JB4 development.
We need a piggy back option.

 

[Frenchy]

Thought it stated if not dealer installed then no warranty available?

Dealer or certified tech. Mentioned in first post.

Come on JB4 development.
We need a piggy back option.

As I stated before they have their reasons why they want such. Also keep in mind that if you take it to a certified tech at the Ford dealer or somewhere else they shouldn't charge you more than an hour to do this. More or less it's straightforward to install. I don't know where you're at but if labor there is going to cost you $300 then you need to consider another place to go. The dealership I work at charges $165 an hour about.

 

[jrscobra]

So, I have read everything here regarding this tune. I want to be certain Im understanding this.

Is it true that if I run 93 Octane, Im close to 310Hp without a tune?

If so, the programmer and filter are giving me about ten hp?

Or, am I confused as to what Im reading?

I understand that we're talking about Crank Horsepower. With parasitic drag, what is the new formula considering EPAS? Are we still thinking 15% or has that number adjusted?

The Horsepower game can be confusing. I'd like to see Crank Horsepower ratings stock on 93 and then tuned with 93octane. I dont see that anywhere just yet. SCT is dropping two seconds off 0-60 times with their tune. What about FRPP?

Trying to make real sense of these numbers. .

 

[Sandman Ranger]

So, I have read everything here regarding this tune. I want to be certain Im understanding this.

Is it true that if I run 93 Octane, Im close to 310Hp without a tune?

If so, the programmer and filter are giving me about ten hp?

Or, am I confused as to what Im reading?

I understand that we're talking about Crank Horsepower. With parasitic drag, what is the new formula considering EPAS? Are we still thinking 15% or has that number adjusted?

The Horsepower game can be confusing. I'd like to see Crank Horsepower ratings stock on 93 and then tuned with 93octane. I dont see that anywhere just yet. SCT is dropping two seconds off 0-60 times with their tune. What about FRPP?

Trying to make real sense of these numbers. .

Not making 310 just on gas.
Tune adds hp no matter how measured. Will be noticed.

 

[Juggar]

It's like anything else. Dealers don't have the best Solutions when it comes to accessories. They sell $100 running boards for 600. The only advantage to this tune which is probably watered down when compared to the others from private companies, is a Ford warranty covering it. It's not that I'm not a fan of tunes I installed Tunes on all my bikes and a few vehicles. I prefer a tune that's not carb compliant. And I want to know it will do a great job and not be handcuffed some arbitrary rule.

Carb compliant simply means its been tested to not pollute past what Cali considers acceptable.

Most aftermarket tunes that are not Diesel tunes could also pass smog, as long as the vehicle still has the cats. All the small tuning companies simply dont have the time or money to deal with getting CARB certified. Obviously Ford does.

It doesn't mean its "watered down" or anything..... Jeeze guys, I cant believe some of the things I read on this forum. I know a lot of this stuff is new to you guys, but over in the VW scene its everyday business.

 

[themikeyan]

So, I have read everything here regarding this tune. I want to be certain Im understanding this.

Is it true that if I run 93 Octane, Im close to 310Hp without a tune?

If so, the programmer and filter are giving me about ten hp?

Or, am I confused as to what Im reading?

I understand that we're talking about Crank Horsepower. With parasitic drag, what is the new formula considering EPAS? Are we still thinking 15% or has that number adjusted?

The Horsepower game can be confusing. I'd like to see Crank Horsepower ratings stock on 93 and then tuned with 93octane. I dont see that anywhere just yet. SCT is dropping two seconds off 0-60 times with their tune. What about FRPP?

Trying to make real sense of these numbers. .

I'm going to be dyno pulling my truck pre and post frp tune, unfortunately I'm already on 33s

 

[EKSU]

If I go to a dealership to get this installed, will I get to keep the ProCal4 and would I be able to back up to stock config if I wanted to?

I would normally never get a tune due to warranty worries, but this seems great.

 

[Frenchy]

If I go to a dealership to get this installed, will I get to keep the ProCal4 and would I be able to back up to stock config if I wanted to?

I would normally never get a tune due to warranty worries, but this seems great.

Yes you get to keep the procal for. It's part of the package that you're buying. And it also States you can revert back to stock tune if you felt like it

 

[tivct]

To comment on the FP tune being "watered down" vs other tunes (since it makes less power.) There's math & statistics behind the numbers that Ford develops. I'll shed a bit of background, and please note the numbers I give are to illustrate the example, and not the real engineering specs for the 2.3L.

In a nutshell:

Ford designed the engine hardware and knows where the durability thresholds are. This is based on statistical analysis. One example: Peak cylinder pressure (I'll throw a random number out: 120 bar.) They know that if the engine sees 120 bar peak inside the cylinder, they can get engine failures on 1% of engines produced. Increase that to 125 bar, and they can see failures on 4% of engines, etc. They also know the engine-to-engine variance (example, 5 bar.) They'll then back off the target peak cylinder pressure in the calibration by 3 sigma (3 standard deviations.) So the base calibration targets 105 bar under wide-open conditions. They run their SAE measurements, and boom 270hp, 310ft-lb, and a calibration that can be driven all over the country on different fuel blends and have no issues.

The Ford Performance tune increases cylinder pressure and creeps into the upper 1-2 sigma from the hardware threshold, willing to accept a bit more warranty risk, but fully proves out the calibration at sea level, elevation, extreme cold, extreme hot, etc. They're still in the safe region, just closer to the threshold.

Now... your sweet 380hp 400ft-lb dyno tune? Probably 130 bar. Maybe 135. The risk analysis is non-existant. "Did it blow up on these three dyno pulls on 1 truck? No? Ship it!"

Will your engine fail? Maybe, maybe not. Some quarter mile passes or freeway pulls on an empty truck with 93 octane and you're probably fine. This is where you get the "I've run X tune for 5 years and had no issues" comments on forums.

Ford's durability threshold will make your truck safe while towing a 7500lb trailer up a long 6% grade on a 100 degree day. Just don't try that on your dyno tune.

 

[P. A. Schilke]

To comment on the FP tune being "watered down" vs other tunes (since it makes less power.) There's math & statistics behind the numbers that Ford develops. I'll shed a bit of background, and please note the numbers I give are to illustrate the example, and not the real engineering specs for the 2.3L.

In a nutshell:

Ford designed the engine hardware and knows where the durability thresholds are. This is based on statistical analysis. One example: Peak cylinder pressure (I'll throw a random number out: 120 bar.) They know that if the engine sees 120 bar peak inside the cylinder, they can get engine failures on 1% of engines produced. Increase that to 125 bar, and they can see failures on 4% of engines, etc. They also know the engine-to-engine variance (example, 5 bar.) They'll then back off the target peak cylinder pressure in the calibration by 3 sigma (3 standard deviations.) So the base calibration targets 105 bar under wide-open conditions. They run their SAE measurements, and boom 270hp, 310ft-lb, and a calibration that can be driven all over the country on different fuel blends and have no issues.

The Ford Performance tune increases cylinder pressure and creeps into the upper 1-2 sigma from the hardware threshold, willing to accept a bit more warranty risk, but fully proves out the calibration at sea level, elevation, extreme cold, extreme hot, etc. They're still in the safe region, just closer to the threshold.

Now... your sweet 380hp 400ft-lb dyno tune? Probably 130 bar. Maybe 135. The risk analysis is non-existant. "Did it blow up on these three dyno pulls on 1 truck? No? Ship it!"

Will your engine fail? Maybe, maybe not. Some quarter mile passes or freeway pulls on an empty truck with 93 octane and you're probably fine. This is where you get the "I've run X tune for 5 years and had no issues" comments on forums.

Ford's durability threshold will make your truck safe while towing a 7500lb trailer up a long 6% grade on a 100 degree day. Just don't try that on your dyno tune.

HI Tivct.

Well said! This is a message that transfers to many other Ford designs and systems. The aftermarket takes advantage, but without recourse like Ford has for having the blue oval on the vehicle.

Another Back Story...I thought I commented on this before, but maybe not. Search did not produce any other posts.

Ford was selling chassis to Motorhome manufacturers, E450, F53 chassis etc. All are shipped with a steering wheel with a Ford Logo. So the Motorhome manufacturer places their body on the Ford Chassis. They have little if any quality control. So an RV purchaser buys this very nice looking RV and the first time out the Clarion Radio craps out. The purchaser says This F*ing Ford. They put junk in this RV.... Okay...Ford did not supply the radio or hook it up with the dreaded Scotch locs etc. The RV builder did but Ford takes the hit. This became a big issue for Ford Truck. Thus after discussions over this issue, we developed specs on Ford requirements of any RV manufacturer to minimize these customer dissatisfactions. It was called the QVM, Qualified Vehicle Modifier. Certain RV standard manufacturer processes, like wiring with household electrical wire nuts was not permitted. Poor quality Scotch Locs were not permitted and if an RV manufacturer did not agree, then we suspended the sale of Ford Chassis to these manufacturers.

Tuners are likely in this realm...pushing the envelope and hopping for a good result with no problems for them. Untested over many vehicles like Ford does and using statistics, just one shot three dyno pulls and ship out the door.

This why I can not comment on any Tune as I have no idea of the parameters, the scientific method etc. You pay your chances and take the consequences. I will bet no Aftermarket tune can provide scientific and statistical data to back up their Tune. I hope I am wrong in this, but do not think so in the absence of solid statistically backed data that says the customer is guaranteed good to go.

Rant over

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

 

[BDUb]

My brother has a 2007 Nissan Titan V8, the day he got it in 2007 he put a tune on it addin 80 HP and 100 lb ft of torque. He has well over 100,000 miles on it and no issues whatsever...never has. Oh and it was not a Nissan tune but an aftermarket one that "ran it 3 times on the dyno and shipped it." My father has been tuning every car he has had for years and once again has had no issues. 2012 Cadillac CTSV, 2016 Mustang GT 500, 2014 F-150, 2018 Focus RS, 2019 Edge ST, 2020 BMW M5 Competition. No problems with any car he has ever tuned even though the cars on this list are newer he has been tunning for many years and not had issues.

Issues can still happen but I would like to think companies making tunes have been doing so for a long time and know what pressures are acceptable or not. Its not like its their first time...

One last thing, my beother has never removed the tune amd it passes smog while tuned.

 

[Frenchy]

My brother has a 2007 Nissan Titan V8, the day he got it in 2007 he put a tune on it addin 80 HP and 100 lb ft of torque. He has well over 100,000 miles on it and no issues whatsever...never has. Oh and it was not a Nissan tune but an aftermarket one that "ran it 3 times on the dyno and shipped it." My father has been tuning every car he has had for years and once again has had no issues. 2012 Cadillac CTSV, 2016 Mustang GT 500, 2014 F-150, 2018 Focus RS, 2019 Edge ST, 2020 BMW M5 Competition. No problems with any car he has ever tuned even though the cars on this list are newer he has been tunning for many years and not had issues.

Issues can still happen but I would like to think companies making tunes have been doing so for a long time and know what pressures are acceptable or not. Its not like its their first time...

Just my 2 cents

Nissan Titan.... has a 5.6L V8....... Ford Ranger has a 2.3L Turbo. both put at stock specs and the Ranger is very close to the Titan with less than half the displacement. A big V8 is a whole different story when adding power compared to a small 4 cylinder Turbo.... just saying.

 

[BDUb]

Nissan Titan.... has a 5.6L V8....... Ford Ranger has a 2.3L Turbo. both put at stock specs and the Ranger is very close to the Titan with less than half the displacement. A big V8 is a whole different story when adding power compared to a small 4 cylinder Turbo.... just saying.

What about the blown mustang gt 500 and the turbo 2.3 focus rs? Both tuned no issues...in fact his Focus rs has 450 hp and 450 torque. I am not worried in the least as my family has been tunning vehicles for over 15 years with nothing happening to be worried about...so far.

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