So I went to our Honda Dealer today.......

[joeb427]

He means profits, not just jobs.

I think the Ridgeline is so ugly and I would never buy one but US jobs are important.

https://hondainamerica.com/employment/

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[Floyd]

I certainly would not discourage anyone from buying S.O.B .
After all, every non-Ford sold is less upward pressure on the price of my next Ranger.
It also is added incentive for Ford to stay continually ahead of the competition in quality, performance and value.
I would say that those who wish to extol the virtues of S.O.B. against the Ranger would be foolish not to expect some push back ...when they do so in a place called "Ranger5G".

 

[ch47dmechanic]

I think the Ridgeline is so ugly and I would never buy one but US jobs are important.

https://hondainamerica.com/employment/

Honda is more interested in building vehicles here to save money, not make American jobs. Don't buy into the BS. They're not the only ones.

 

[joeb427]

Honda is more interested in building vehicles here to save money, not make American jobs. Don't buy into the BS. They're not the only ones.

You can try to spin it any way you want but around 160K people here work for Honda.

 

[ch47dmechanic]

You can try to spin it any way you want but around 160K people here work for Honda.

And you don't understand how the Chicken Tax works, apparently. Or Tariff Engineering. Doesn't matter...the money still goes back to Japan. I honestly don't care about that part as all of my motorcycles are foreign and I'll continue to buy what I like. But you're not going to convince any economist that Honda or Nissan have plants all over the Right-To-Work states in the south just because they want to invest in the American economy. Their motives are entirely different...see the first and second sentence again.

 

[Floyd]

The point I was making was, when you went shopping, you were comparing vehicles that were designed and produced after Ford axed the Ranger from the North American market. Thus, what you were shopping in the current market wasn't designed or intended as a competitor for Rangers as they did not exist in the U.S. again until last year. Both the Colorado and the Tacoma's last redesign was introduced to the American market in 2013 and 2016 respectively. The last previous-generation Ranger was built December 15th, 2011.

And a fine point it is too!... and just full of factual information.
However, it is at best tangental , and at worst totally irrelevant to mine.

The genre itself doesn't really exist outside of NA, but you can bet that the latest Tacoma was built to compete with its contemporary competition on the world stage. (which included the Ranger)
Unfortunately, they became complacent and were caught off guard by the return of an even better Ranger reentering the North American market.

 

[joeb427]

And you don't understand how the Chicken Tax works, apparently. Or Tariff Engineering. Doesn't matter...the money still goes back to Japan. I honestly don't care about that part as all of my motorcycles are foreign and I'll continue to buy what I like. But you're not going to convince any economist that Honda or Nissan have plants all over the Right-To-Work states in the south just because they want to invest in the American economy. Their motives are entirely different...see the first and second sentence again.

True but 170k get a paycheck from Honda supporting their families. That is what is important. Especially to them.

 

[SubVet]

He means profits, not just jobs.

The Camry is built at a Toyota factory in Georgetown, Ky., which employs more than 7,500 people. All of us can share in profits if we wanted to. They are all public companies you can buy ownership in although the price of the stock determines the health of the company behind it in most cases. That's why Toyota is at $120 a share and Ford stock is a whopping $5.35. if you own ford stock for a year or join the mustang club you can use the x plan to buy a ford. Unless there is a catastrophic economical event, I think ford is pretty much bottoming out.

Jobs are far more important. But they depend on profit. There's no such thing as 100% American made car with American-made parts. Ridgeline is more American than the ranger in so much as they're made in Alabama Cars.com ranked the Camry #1 on its list of the most "American-made" vehicles. Its American-Made Index factors the percentage of domestic parts content in a vehicle, where it's built, and how many are sold.

 

[P. A. Schilke]

And you don't understand how the Chicken Tax works, apparently. Or Tariff Engineering. Doesn't matter...the money still goes back to Japan. I honestly don't care about that part as all of my motorcycles are foreign and I'll continue to buy what I like. But you're not going to convince any economist that Honda or Nissan have plants all over the Right-To-Work states in the south just because they want to invest in the American economy. Their motives are entirely different...see the first and second sentence again.

Hi Jason,

You need to include Toyota in this as well. Toyota USA does not make a profit...Buy a Taco and it all goes to Japan.... My now deceased best friend was Executive VP of DuPont and very knowledgeable on the Automotive Industry. He had it written in his will that any recipient of inheritance that purchased a non USA company vehicle was to get a Zero distribution of the inheritance. Guess what...I gave out a ton of X plans such that the family all drive Fords. Multi, Multi millionaire.

best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

 

[joeb427]

I think Ford will be bought by another auto manufacturer. I'm guessing VW.

 

[ch47dmechanic]

Hi Jason,

You need to include Toyota in this as well. Toyota USA does not make a profit...Buy a Taco and it all goes to Japan.... My now deceased best friend was Executive VP of DuPont and very knowledgeable on the Automotive Industry. He had it written in his will that any recipient of inheritance that purchased a non USA company vehicle was to get a Zero distribution of the inheritance. Guess what...I gave out a ton of X plans such that the family all drive Fords. Multi, Multi millionaire.

best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

Indeed, except Toyota used to be in my backyard at the NUMMI plant where I had a few friends working. It's now the Tesla factory. Anyway, because of UAW BS and politics, I had friends that did nothing more than insert four screws into a glovebox on a Tacoma making $40 an hour...and this was in 2005-2007. Skilled labor? Hell no. They would be the first to admit it too. They were just working there because of the union wages and pension. I can't say I blame them as who wouldn't want to take advantage of that kind of gig? I always told them they were the reason that Tacomas were overpriced and they'd always laugh and say it'd likely end someday when Toyota wised up to the UAW...and it did in 2010. And where did all their manufacturing go? You guessed it, Right-To-Work states. It doesn't take long to figure out what the underlying intentions are.

 

[ch47dmechanic]

I think Ford will be bought by another auto manufacturer. I'm guessing VW.

You mean the only American auto company that didn't have to get bailed out? I sincerely doubt it.

 

[joeb427]

You mean the only American auto company that didn't have to get bailed out? I sincerely doubt it.

If the F-150 sales slowdown, Ford is dead. The Ram has picked up many sales and even Chevy is starting to sell.

 

[SubVet]

True but 170k get a paycheck from Honda supporting their families. That is what is important. Especially to them.

Not to mention here in south Carolina BMW is made. The median pay $50,000 per year. I don't know how much you know south Carolina cost of living but $50,000 a year buys somebody a home New home start at 120k here. You have to earn twice that up north and still have a problem paying property taxes alone.

Jobs are more important no matter where they come from. the Chicken Tax was a great idea. They charge 25% tariff on incoming small pickup trucks so the people making those pickup trucks decided to build those factories here and avoid that tariff. So what if some profit goes back to the far east. Many people are making money off those trucks being built and sold here.

in my book that's a win-win for American workers.
Automakers here don't have to worry about unions because the workers are happy with their making plus their benefits. It's the same with Boeing. The workers voted against the union time and time again. And they make wages enough to live like a middle-class person in a low tax environment

The same thing happened to Harley in the 80S when they went to the government and the government charged major tariffs 47% for every bike incoming 700cc or over from anywhere. Unfortunately it didn't save barely....the history books seem to have gotten it wrong. The tariffs actually did little to help Harley-Davidson survive, though they likely did cost some workers their jobs and raised costs for consumers. What actually saved Harley-Davidson was Harley-Davidson.

 

[ch47dmechanic]

If the F-150 sales slowdown, Ford is dead. The Ram has picked up many sales and even Chevy is starting to sell.

No evidence of that around here. But yes, time will tell.

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