If this is true, no new Fords in my future

[Fordup]

I was just thinking.

If this is intended to shut peoples vehicles down for non payment of their loans what about those who pay cash? And what happens when someone pays their loan off? By all means this should be permanently disabled but we all know that's not going to happen.

Don't worry, there will be no cash soon and you will actually own nothing . They will just scan the chip in you . Glad I grew up when I did .

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[AzScorpion]

Don't worry, there will be no cash soon and you will actually own nothing . They will just scan the chip in you . Glad I grew up when I did .

The Swedes are already doing this willingly and "think" it's a good idea. This is how they (gov) gets you the package it as "convenience" instead of the real word....Control!

Yes, we grew up in the best era and now have to watch the fall of it too.

The chips are designed to speed up users' daily routines and make their lives more convenient — accessing their homes, offices and gyms is as easy as swiping their hands against digital readers.

They also can be used to store emergency contact details, social media profiles or e-tickets for events and rail journeys within Sweden.

Around the size of a grain of rice, the chips typically are inserted into the skin just above each user's thumb, using a syringe similar to that used for giving vaccinations. The procedure costs about $180.

So many Swedes are lining up to get the microchips that the country's main chipping company says it can't keep up with the number of requests.

 

[Cmar]

MY cat has one of those so if she strays, or gets lost, or picked up somewhere, hopefully she can be returned to me, also contains her proof of being de-sexed. She doesn't go to many concerts or rail journeys though, and I haven't bothered to set up a social media channel for her.

 

[bigalxc]

If this is true I'm lookng outside of ford for my future truck.

 

[Fordup]

Fords new sync technology that uses your cameras to report speeders directly to police. Automatically takes pictures and sends them in freeing up cops for other things.

 

[Stevedbvik1]

Fords new sync technology that uses your cameras to report speeders directly to police. Automatically takes pictures and sends them in freeing up cops for other things.

Uh , wouldn’t you have to be going 78 also to be that close to get that picture. Would it report both of you?

 

[Fordup]

Uh , wouldn’t you have to be going 78 also to be that close to get that picture. Would it report both of you?

Probably. This AI and data center stuff needs someone to pay for it.

 

[keystone112]

So my question is how much of this stuff do we have in our G5s? And if we do, can it be deleted?

 

[AzScorpion]

So my question is how much of this stuff do we have in our G5s? And if we do, can it be deleted?

If there's a modem in it (any vehicle) it can report stuff that I'm sure they're not telling us about.

IIRC Tony @TJC disconnected everything from his and will be able to answer it better.

 

[keystone112]

My ‘23 has Sync 3 and the hot spot is factory delete.

Not sure about a modem.

 

[TJC]

It's been several years since I removed the Telematics from my Ranger. It was far easier than I anticipated, and easily reversible, with no adverse effects. I am sure it affects the WiFi Hot spot, and probably satellite radio, and cellular communications. But this is exactly what I was hoping to achieve.

I pulled the Telematics fuse 9 (Driver's side lower dash panel fuse box), added a single 10A fuse in fuse slot 8 for the security horn. The fuse on the right is the original two in one fuse. I installed the 10A single fuse in the left most section of the shared double fuse 8&9 slot.

I then unplugged the cellular modem in the passenger foot well (The green box). I didn't even drop the glove box, simply looked up from the foot well and removed the big plug in the white socket. I left the 2 antenna cables plugged in.

I then hooked up my xTools D8 and scanned for any DTCs. I had one DTC in the APIM area. It reported that there was no communication with the Telematic Control Module A. Just what I was hoping for. No other systems were affected.

So Telematics have been successfully disabled - no calling home to Momma!

It may (maybe not with the Telematics fuse pulled) still collect data, but it is definitely not going to be able to send that data anywhere. The picture below shows the error code with explanation.

Here's an Video overview from Ford on their Telematics at work in fleet vehicles.

 

[keystone112]

Super detailed. Thanks for the info.

 

[Cmar]

I doubt that evidence would be admissible to a court, certainly wouldn't be here, what if the local limits are changed and Ford's database is behind on updates? Also there is no evidence of a proper and ongoing calibration and QC procedure for the camera and electronics. Speedo's can be up to 10% out.
Police here tried something similar when point to point cameras first came out, they did calculate average speed and the police started issuing tickets, on that basis.
Someone took them to court saying it wasn't a calibrated recognised system (only dedicated fixed and handheld speed cameras were recognised detection systems) and the judge agreed, so all the fines and infringements had to be reversed.

 

[TJC]

I doubt that evidence would be admissible to a court, certainly wouldn't be here, what if the local limits are changed and Ford's database is behind on updates? Also there is no evidence of a proper and ongoing calibration and QC procedure for the camera and electronics. Speedo's can be up to 10% out.
Police here tried something similar when point to point cameras first came out, they did calculate average speed and the police started issuing tickets, on that basis.
Someone took them to court saying it wasn't a calibrated recognised system (only dedicated fixed and handheld speed cameras were recognised detection systems) and the judge agreed, so all the fines and infringements had to be reversed.

The data may not be admissible in court, but it may be used by Ford for whatever purpose they choose, even selling it to others, like your insurance company. They are capturing it for a reason, and it has to be a good reason based upon the expense of adding it. Look at all the items Ford removed over the years for cost savings.Small nickel and dime stuff.

The telematics module is still there, and it is making Ford money....

 

[Cmar]

The data may not be admissible in court, but it may be used by Ford for whatever purpose they choose, even selling it to others, like your insurance company. They are capturing it for a reason, and it has to be a good reason based upon the expense of adding it. Look at all the items Ford removed over the years for cost savings.Small nickel and dime stuff.

The telematics module is still there, and it is making Ford money....

Of course, it's there it's there for your own good, don't you understand, it's there so Ford can push updates, fix bugs (that one would probably exceed the bandwidth) and gather data to enhance your driving experience! I really don't understand your doubts.
Now I will have to somehow un-stick my tongue from inside my cheek.

My wife has a Chinese built electric car. It is garaged under the house directly below where my home office and this PC sit. It is in fact a nicely built, well kitted, extremely reliable car. But every time I want to add a new bluetooth device to this PC, and do a device search, it offers itself up to pairing....

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