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[DD214]

I shudder to think what a .454 Casull would have done

to show how ignorant I am, I am surprised it fit in the cylinder. I own only one wheel gun, a Ruger In .22

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[Dr. Zaius]

to show how ignorant I am, I am surprised it fit in the cylinder. I own only one wheel gun, a Ruger In .22

@Glocker was shooting a .45 Long Colt when he found the mistaken .454 Casull round, so it was the same caliber and would drop right in.

The longer bullet dragging on the barrel is what saved him from an involuntary hand amputation.

 

[DD214]

@Glocker was shooting a .45 Long Colt when he found the mistaken .454 Casull round, so it was the same caliber and would drop right in.

The longer bullet dragging on the barrel is what saved him from an involuntary hand amputation.

thanks for clearing that up. Makes sense. I guess the difference in the chamber being only a few thou means yeah, would have dropped right in. Never thought about it.

thanks for the info!

 

[Glocker]

thanks for clearing that up. Makes sense. I guess the difference in the chamber being only a few thou means yeah, would have dropped right in. Never thought about it.

thanks for the info!

Just to show you how close they are in physical size:

But .454 Casull is loaded to well over twice the pressure of a standard .45LC. I found this funny ass quote in a forum:

the big reason is the pressure that the casull can run at,

45lc 30k max
the casull can run in the mid 50k's

colt will kill anything in the usa, the casull will kill it twice.

I think I saw SAMI spec on .45LC is 15,000 psi. The gun I was shooting was a relatively (at the time) cheapy Uberti Cattleman .45LC. I would say it probably wouldn't have partied too long at higher case pressures.

Now .454 Casull, on the other hand, can be loaded as hot as 65,000 psi! And I want one! Even though I have no actual use for one. ?

 

[MountainGoat]

Just to show you how close they are in physical size:

But .454 Casull is loaded to well over twice the pressure of a standard .45LC. I found this funny ass quote in a forum:


I think I saw SAMI spec on .45LC is 15,000 psi. The gun I was shooting was a relatively (at the time) cheapy Uberti Cattleman .45LC. I would say it probably wouldn't have partied too long at higher case pressures.

Now .454 Casull, on the other hand, can be loaded as hot as 65,000 psi! And I want one! Even though I have no actual use for one. ?

I was looking at the Colt Anaconda. The Chiappa Rhino seems kinda cool but doesn't come in 44 mag.

What I really want these days is a TC Contender/Encore or it's lesser brother the CVA Scout pistol. Both are extinct and rare even on the used market now. Especially in 300 blackout. I bought a Solo 300 upper but it doesn't work worth a shit.

 

[Glocker]

I was looking at the Colt Anaconda. The Chiappa Rhino seems kinda cool but doesn't come in 44 mag.

What I really want these days is a TC Contender/Encore or it's lesser brother the CVA Scout pistol. Both are extinct and rare even on the used market now. Especially in 300 blackout. I bought a Solo 300 upper but it doesn't work worth a shit.

I was looking to see if I could find a .300 BLK "upper" for a handi-rifle "lower" yesterday. Damn, if those are almost nonexistent too! What I really wish I could find is a .45ACP handi rifle barrel!

 

[Doc]

holy smokes that would have been awful.

I cracked the cylinder on my .45 Black Hawk with one of my buddy’s hot loads. Scary …Young and Dumb ..

 

[MountainGoat]

I was looking to see if I could find a .300 BLK "upper" for a handi-rifle "lower" yesterday. Damn, if those are almost nonexistent too! What I really wish I could find is a .45ACP handi rifle barrel!

Yeah it looks like all the single shot stuff is just done. S&W bought and then killed Thompson Center Arms, CVA doesn't make pistols anymore. A company called HausOfArms is making new Contender/Encore clones but apparently the waitlist is years for the frames. If you have a frame you can buy barrels and grips/forearms/stocks though.

 

[Buckbull]

I got very lucky once shooting .45 Long Colt from a revolver about 15 or so years ago...

As I was shooting through the cylinder of ammo that I had loaded, the cylinder had a little drag as it rotated to the next chamber, and in general, it felt a little off. I am sooooooooo damn lucky I didn't pull the trigger on that next round.

A .454 Casull had somehow gotten mixed up in the box of ammo. I had just bought that ammo the same day from a well-known store down the street. Luckily the lead nose of the projectile drug on the forcing cone of the barrel as the cylinder rotated onto that chamber. I still have the .454 cartridge sitting on a shelf in my home office.

I subscribe to ron spomers youtube channels and he was shooting a .308 using different factory ammo to see what grouped best. He loaded hornady and one round was really hard to chamber. He wisely didnt shoot and it was a 6.5 creedmoor. Ammo came straight from the factory.

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[DocE3Gun]

I subscribe to ron spomers youtube channels and he was shooting a .308 using different factory ammo to see what grouped best. He loaded hornady and one round was really hard to chamber. He wisely didnt shoot and it was a 6.5 creedmoor. Ammo came straight from the factory.

After touring the Hornady factories, that should be nearly impossible from the factory. Their loaded on different machines, at different times, into different bins, and hand sorted/boxed by different groups. I would almost 100% guarantee it was either mislabeled as an entire box or someone in the store pulled a round out of two boxes to compare them and put them back in the wrong box (the most likely explanation).

 

[Buckbull]

After touring the Hornady factories, that should be nearly impossible from the factory. Their loaded on different machines, at different times, into different bins, and hand sorted/boxed by different groups. I would almost 100% guarantee it was either mislabeled as an entire box or someone in the store pulled a round out of two boxes to compare them and put them back in the wrong box (the most likely explanation).

Ron speculated that someone in the marketing department switched them.

 

[9zero1790]

I cracked the cylinder on my .45 Black Hawk with one of my buddy’s hot loads. Scary …Young and Dumb ..

wow. the rugers are typically pretty tough it must have been a real hot mix lol

 

[9zero1790]

years ago i shot handguns more often and used a lot of .40sw rounds. I would get the cheapest stuff i could find. i got a box of monarch "ppu serbia" from academy sports store for a good price, it was brass case target ammo. i could feel and see the difference when the first ppu round popped vs. the cheap white box winchester i was shooting the last of. the recoil felt in my hand was about 1.5 what the winchester round was and the ppu had a very visible flame out the barrel. i stopped un loaded and checked the gun and ammo things looked normal. started shooting again same thing really hot loaded vs the other brand. I have used ppu stuff in other rounds and its fine. but that one box must have been made while the workers were passing around the Ракија. I had a box of winchester winclean that didnt seem to be a long going product that seemed so week. the feel, sound, and velocity all seemed really anemic.

 

[DocE3Gun]

There's a custom pistol builder in Texas that built a 2011 (double stack 1911) with two slides, one in 9mm and one in .40 cal. IIRC, the owner blew the gun up the first time to the range. He had the 9mm slide on, shot it, swapped the slide to the .40 slide and accidentally used the 9mm mag which didn't go bang when he tried to shoot because the round was in the barrel instead of the chamber. He didn't check the barrel before inserting a .40 mag and sending a .40 cal bullet into the back of a 9mm loaded round / obstruction. Expensive lesson.

 

[Glocker]

There's a custom pistol builder in Texas that built a 2011 (double stack 1911) with two slides, one in 9mm and one in .40 cal. IIRC, the owner blew the gun up the first time to the range. He had the 9mm slide on, shot it, swapped the slide to the .40 slide and accidentally used the 9mm mag which didn't go bang when he tried to shoot because the round was in the barrel instead of the chamber. He didn't check the barrel before inserting a .40 mag and sending a .40 cal bullet into the back of a 9mm loaded round / obstruction. Expensive lesson.

When I was with the training unit at my Sheriff's Office, we started transitioning everyone from .40 to 9mm. That meant having two pistol calibers on the range at the same time. ?‍

We would tell the class, and I am directly quoting here, " We have two different types of ammo out here. We will keep the 9mm on this side of the range and the .40 on the other side. Don't unload your 9mm into the 40 can. Don't unload your 40 into the 9mm can. If you do that, you will be creating a BIG BALL OF FUCK. Don't be the person who creates the BIG BALL FO FUCK."

Inevitably, one of us instructors would have to announce to the class something along the lines of, "Congratulations, class. Someone amongst you has created a BIG BALL OF FUCK! Now you get to sort all of the ammo before you go home."

It was funny how, collectively among the training staff, it was known as "THE BIG BALL OF FUCK." ?

I gotta say, I've seen a lot of 9mm fed through .40 Glocks while I was with the Sheriff's office, and I was impressed with the Glocks. Usually, we'd see a short stroked slide and a form-fired 9mm casing, but no stuck projectiles or exploded guns. Well, except one time, we did have a stuck project that led to a bulged barrel and a locked-up slide.

I can also attest that full-auto an H&K MP5 .40 DOES NOT LIKE 9MM.

Someone created a different kind of BIG BALL OF FUCK X2 with a can of 180 GR (sub-sonic) by emptying several mags of 165 GR .40 in it. The SWAT team couldn't use that ammo in their suppressed MP5s, so we grabbed the can of ammo, several mags, and two MP5s off our training rack to "get rid of the ammo." Wouldn't you know, a few 9mm rounds found their way into that can of ammo, too, and one got loaded in a mag (Sorry! I was BS'ing with my buddy!) and fed into the gun.

The gun short-stroked; I quickly and manually cycled the bolt and BANG! Two .40 went off (full auto) into a squibbed barrel.

It was an expensive fix, but I still have all of my parts. The MP5 had to be sent off to H&K to be re-barreled, and my boss was displeased.

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