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[MountainGoat]

as a side note about tasers. at one point- idk about now, but mp and shore patrols etc. were not allowed to carry tasers as they were considered more deadly than getting shot. so back in that day most mp types had a model 92 or 226 and way back a 1911. im for damn sure i do not want to get shot with any of those. I did get a zap of the taser once. it did not knock me out or on my butt. more like a very harsh wake up slap and having the wind knocked out for a split second. my point in sharing - i would not trust a taser to stop a violent attacker. esp one on drugs or otherwise very motivated to do harm to someone. a good spray however would make me cry on the ground like a lil girl lol.

My understanding is early tasers were giving some people heart attacks so they dialed back the power, so now you have big guys that are unaffected by them. I just saw a clip recently where a guy was unaffected and the cops had to shoot him after. Overall I think it's a stupid weapon.

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[DocE3Gun]

My understanding is early tasers were giving some people heart attacks so they dialed back the power, so now you have big guys that are unaffected by them. I just saw a clip recently where a guy was unaffected and the cops had to shoot him after. Overall I think it's a stupid weapon.

If you use the right pepper spray on them first, they might catch on fire tho……so tasers have that going for them. ?

I prefer self defense to be with as much lethal force as possible to give me a better chance of surviving the situation.

 

[MountainGoat]

If you use the right pepper spray on them first, they might catch on fire tho……so tasers have that going for them. ?

Now you got thinking of a combo pepper taser. Duct tape those suckers together Iike Ripley in Alien 2.

 

[D Fresh]

If you use the right pepper spray on them first, they might catch on fire tho……so tasers have that going for them. ?

I prefer self defense to be with as much lethal force as possible to give me a better chance of surviving the situation.

As do I, obviously. Again, thinking of ideas for those in my life who cannot carry.

 

[Glocker]

My understanding is early tasers were giving some people heart attacks so they dialed back the power, so now you have big guys that are unaffected by them. I just saw a clip recently where a guy was unaffected and the cops had to shoot him after. Overall I think it's a stupid weapon.

Ha! This is one I can answer! I was a taser instructor at my previous job!

So the taser wasn't giving people a heart attack, per-say. The person's physiology was getting ramped up due to a stress situation - their adrenalin was jacked through the roof, their heartbeat was going crazy, their physiology was pretty much hammering away at redline, and then...

...you add the stress of the taser on top of that. And the taser wouldn't trigger the event of a heart attack, it just added to that ramped up physiology and eventually, the body gets to a point where it can't handle it and the heart has had it's fill, and then you have the cardiac episode. So Taser designed in limits to the time duration of the taser with select battery packs (5 second power durations) AND recommended limiting the application to three 5 second applications. You can still get the battery that will go until you stop pulling the trigger or the battery dies, but for liability reasons, a lot of agencies don't use them.

As far as the taser not working with big guys, it's a bit of a fallacy. The taser works even better on big, muscley guys because of the water content of muscle. The taser works on the principle of neuromuscular incapacitation. The taser's electrical power is overriding your body's nervous system. It's using the electricity to interrupt the body's ability to deliver it's own electrical signal to the muscles to tell the muscles to do things like run, or through a punch by delivering a much larger and disruptive electrical signal that overrides the body's.

Now why doesn't it always work? One of the main reasons is clothing disconnects. Loose or thick clothing can stop one of the barbs from being delivered to the body entirely or giving it a intermittent connection.

And the other big factor is probe spread. The further apart the probes are, the great distance it's causing the neuromuscular incapacitation. The optimal is to have one probe in the upper torso and the second probe in the lower extremities like the leg of thigh. One of the things you can do if you get a bad probe connection, if one of those barbs isn't making the best contact, is close the distance with the person and physically hold the taser to their body. This completes the circuit and delivers that neuromuscular incapacitation.

I can see where some people might think the taser is pretty stupid, but really, it's just another tool in the toolbox. It's not perfect, but neither is OC spray and 9mm bullets. It just provides another use of force option that could potentially keep someone from having to be shot.

Ughhhhh. That 5 second taser ride I took before I went to the instructor class was the longest thing I've ever done in my life! ?

 

[MountainGoat]

Ha! This is one I can answer! I was a taser instructor at my previous job!

So the taser wasn't giving people a heart attack, per-say. The person's physiology was getting ramped up due to a stress situation - their adrenalin was jacked through the roof, their heartbeat was going crazy, their physiology was pretty much hammering away at redline, and then...

...you add the stress of the taser on top of that. And the taser wouldn't trigger the event of a heart attack, it just added to that ramped up physiology and eventually, the body gets to a point where it can't handle it and the heart has had it's fill, and then you have the cardiac episode. So Taser designed in limits to the time duration of the taser with select battery packs (5 second power durations) AND recommended limiting the application to three 5 second applications. You can still get the battery that will go until you stop pulling the trigger or the battery dies, but for liability reasons, a lot of agencies don't use them.

As far as the taser not working with big guys, it's a bit of a fallacy. The taser works even better on big, muscley guys because of the water content of muscle. The taser works on the principle of neuromuscular incapacitation. The taser's electrical power is overriding your body's nervous system. It's using the electricity to interrupt the body's ability to deliver it's own electrical signal to the muscles to tell the muscles to do things like run, or through a punch by delivering a much larger and disruptive electrical signal that overrides the body's.

Now why doesn't it always work? One of the main reasons is clothing disconnects. Loose or thick clothing can stop one of the barbs from being delivered to the body entirely or giving it a intermittent connection.

And the other big factor is probe spread. The further apart the probes are, the great distance it's causing the neuromuscular incapacitation. The optimal is to have one probe in the upper torso and the second probe in the lower extremities like the leg of thigh. One of the things you can do if you get a bad probe connection, if one of those barbs isn't making the best contact, is close the distance with the person and physically hold the taser to their body. This completes the circuit and delivers that neuromuscular incapacitation.

I can see where some people might think the taser is pretty stupid, but really, it's just another tool in the toolbox. It's not perfect, but neither is OC spray and 9mm bullets. It just provides another use of force option that could potentially keep someone from having to be shot.

Ughhhhh. That 5 second taser ride I took before I went to the instructor class was the longest thing I've ever done in my life! ?

That is cool info, thanks.

They don't make people crap their pants? That's something else I heard. Then the victim sued for defamation defecation.

 

[Glocker]

That is cool info, thanks.

They don't make people crap their pants? That's something else I heard. Then the victim sued for defamation defecation.

HAHAHAHAHA ?

I've never seen any of the students poop themselves but I've heard a couple farts get forced out that we could hear over the screaming! ?

 

[BS67]

HAHAHAHAHA ?

I've never seen any of the students poop themselves but I've heard a couple farts get forced out that we could hear over the screaming! ?

 

[VoodooRanger]

Picked up my Century Arms AP5-M on Friday. One of those “movie” guns I’ve always wanted, but couldn’t afford the H&K price tag.

 

[D Fresh]

Picked up my Century Arms AP5-M on Friday. One of those “movie” guns I’ve always wanted, but couldn’t afford the H&K price tag.

Very nice!


Any concerns about braces and the ATF?

 

[VoodooRanger]

Very nice!


Any concerns about braces and the ATF?

Yeah, I’m hoping I get to enjoy it a bit before they come cracking down on them. Honestly I would’ve gone the SBR route, but didn’t feel like dealing with all the paperwork and wait time. In the end I made the purchase based off emotion rather than need.

 

[D Fresh]

Yeah, I’m hoping I get to enjoy it a bit before they come cracking down on them. Honestly I would’ve gone the SBR route, but didn’t feel like dealing with all the paperwork and wait time. In the end I made the purchase based off emotion rather than need.

Been there a few times myself.

Worst case you can enjoy it for a bit and remove the brace while waiting for SBR approval.

 

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[DocE3Gun]

people who hand small-framed women and kids heavy recoiling firearms are the biggest jerks in the 2A community.

 

[Doc]

people who hand small-framed women and kids heavy recoiling firearms are the biggest jerks in the 2A community.

Tru Dat !

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