55 to 20 offset 2021 Ranger 16" wheels

[D Fresh]

The discussion is the rim lip hitting the suspension, not the tires hitting the crash bar.

Is it?

The wheel lips will be farther from center, but the tire will be in the same position in relation to the truck.

Offset and tire width is all the info required to define tire poke. Wheel width is really only relevant to match tire to the rim.

Yes the rim lips move farther out, not the tire. The tire still sits in the exact same relationship with the truck whether the rim is 6 inches or 10. The tire is wider than the rim, and where fitment becomes and issue, not the rim lip.

Hypothetically a 17x20 rim wouldn't fit, but manufacturers don't make things which there is no market. Production wheels are made in useable sizes, and the only real relevance of rim width is rim to tire fitment and appearance.

Sorry. But wheel width is absolutely a factor in fitment. Especially if using offset.

If using backspacing AND only concerned about suspension interference, then you are correct. Wheel width is irrelevant at that point.

However, for our trucks, we mainly use offset and body interference is a concern, for some.


These aren't Jeeps.

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[JACKSMYDOG]

Your entire point in your prior post was that rim width doesn't matter and I literally showed you a specific example of how EXACTLY it does. To top it off the OP has stated he's trying to stay as close to the stock offset of +55 as possible which is why in the first photo I put the 305 on the +55.

Feel free to click around https://www.willtheyfit.com/

At no point have I brought up bolt pattern, nor did the OP so iI'm not real sure how thats relevant to the original comment.

I am really not sure of any other way to say this at this point and would rather just let it be.

How about post an actual rim that doesn't fit because the rim lip will hit, instead of a theoretical rim.

 

[JACKSMYDOG]

Sorry. But wheel width is absolutely a factor in fitment. Especially if using offset.

Please expand and detail you point.

 

[mgallo13]

How about post an actual rim that doesn't fit because the rim lip will hit, instead of a theoretical rim.

My responses were tailored to help the OP, not get in a pissing match. He stated he didn't want to go wider than his fenders and was looking for aftermarket options in response to one of my earlier posts. Someone said pay attention to width back on page 1 or something along those lines. You stated broadly that it didn't matter, in the case of the OP it does as he does not want to get wider than the fender. Specific examples of how wheel width can affect fitment were provided.

Again, beating a dead horse here. Agree to disagree and move on.

Have a good one.

 

[JACKSMYDOG]

My responses were tailored to help the OP, not get in a pissing match. He stated he didn't want to go wider than his fenders and was looking for aftermarket options in response to one of my earlier posts. Someone said pay attention to width back on page 1 or something along those lines. You stated broadly that it didn't matter, in the case of the OP it does as he does not want to get wider than the fender. Specific examples of how wheel width can affect fitment were provided.

Again, beating a dead horse here. Agree to disagree and move on.

Have a good one.

I wasn't looking for a pissing match either.

Tire width and wheel off-set will determine poke, not wheel width.

My original comment was replying to someone asking about people not talking about wheel width on this forum, which is a Ranger forum not universal tire and wheel fitment for all vehicles.

We can agree on, have a good one

 

[D Fresh]

Please expand and detail you point.

It's been explained. But I'll try again.

Offset is a measurement from hubface to wheel centerline. Width of wheel will effect placement. Whereas backspacing is a measurement from hubface to back of rim, width will not effect tire placement.

To say that wheel width is inconsequential to fitment is just flat out wrong. And I gave you a specific example previously.

 

[JACKSMYDOG]

It's been explained. But I'll try again.

Offset is a measurement from hubface to wheel centerline. Width of wheel will effect placement. Whereas backspacing is a measurement from hubface to back of rim, width will not effect tire placement.

To say that wheel width is inconsequential to fitment is just flat out wrong. And I gave you a specific example previously.

That's okay, it's complicated. Maybe one day you'll get it.

 

[D Fresh]

That's okay, it's complicated. Maybe one day you'll get it.

Says a person who thinks that moving the wheel out doesn't move the tire out?

https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/1507-understadning-wheel-fitment-offset-rim-sizing/#:~:text=Width Matters More,allow for more communicative steering.

If you're considering significantly wider wheels, then chances are their offset's got to be reduced in order for them to clear the stuff you care about. A reduced offset positions the wheel's hub-mounting surface farther inward, placing the bulk of the wheel farther outward. If you didn't change anything, then half of the wheel's extra width would land underneath the fender and probably interfere with something it shouldn't.

Width is part of the equation when determining wheel fitment by offset. Both at the inside and outside as you are measuring from center. If only concerned about inside interference and using backspacing then it's irrelevant as you say, but still effects fitment as we're not driving indycars here, we have fenders.

 

[JACKSMYDOG]

Says a person who thinks that moving the wheel out doesn't move the tire out?

https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/1507-understadning-wheel-fitment-offset-rim-sizing/#:~:text=Width Matters More,allow for more communicative steering.


Width is part of the equation when determining wheel fitment by offset. Both at the inside and outside as you are measuring from center. If only concerned about inside interference and using backspacing then it's irrelevant as you say, but still effects fitment as we're not driving indycars here, we have fenders.

Two rims with the same off set and identical in every way other than rim width, will have the exact same relationship between:

1 - The tire center line and wheel center line
2 - The tire center line and distance from the vehicle
3 - Tire poke.

The only thing that changes is the distance between the rim lips, but everything else remains constant.

 

[FirstNewTruck]

I wish I never would have started this post from hell that won't end...

 

[BiilyJones]

Two rims with the same off set and identical in every way other than rim width, will have the exact same relationship between:

1 - The tire center line and wheel center line
2 - The tire center line and distance from the vehicle
3 - Tire poke.

The only thing that changes is the distance between the rim lips, but everything else remains constant.

What is this "tire poke" that you speak of?

 

[D Fresh]

Two rims identical in every way other than rim width, will have the exact same relationship between:

1 - The tire center line and wheel center line
2 - The tire center line and distance from the vehicle
3 - Tire poke.

The only thing that changes is the distance between the rim lips, but everything else remains constant.

1-yes

2-yes

3-absolutely incorrect.

Assuming that by "tire poke" you are talking about the outside edge's location. If you're you're adding width, you're moving both inside and outside edges.

Same offset, add an inch of width, you've effectively moved both inside and outside edges ½ inch.

Same backspacing, add an inch of width and you've only moved the outside edge out 1 inch, inside edge stays in the same position.

I feel like you're conflating the two.

 

[JACKSMYDOG]

What is this "tire poke" that you speak of?

More poke is farther from center line of the truck.

 

[BiilyJones]

More poke is farther from center line of the truck.

Is Jack the dogs name, or do you....

 

[thunders_truck]

You have excellent taste in wheels! Here are some pics of my +20 16x8 vectors (p265/75r16) with and without fender flares.

The +20 offset makes them just about flush with the stock fenders with no poke.

Late to this thread, but I just placed my order for those Vectors too!! I'm beyond excited to finally get those steely dans off. I actually also have that same hood deflector, same carbonized grey supercab truck! You've got good taste my man thanks for the pics

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