I will keep my gas powered Ford Ranger until the wheels fall off.

[Jms81661]

Just wondering if anybody cares about the children in the mines? I DO! ??
So I will never go electric!
My next purchase will be from the "classic car" lot. Maybe a C6 Vette? Wish they made a street priced Ford GT.

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[Msfitoy]

Just wondering if anybody cares about the children in the mines? I DO! ??
So I will never go electric!
My next purchase will be from the "classic car" lot. Maybe a C6 Vette? Wish they made a street priced Ford GT.

Wood Cruise Forever! ?

 

[Mark Lally]

Coal technology is pretty well establish and clean burning...any idea what it takes to process cobalt sulfates and oxides used in Lithium batteries which are produced in China? We can trust them to be environmentally conscientious I'm sure...

Coal is clean burning ??? WTF. I'm confident you are the type of person that also uses the term "plandemic".

 

[Msfitoy]

Coal is clean burning ??? WTF. I'm confident you are the type of person that also uses the term "plandemic".

I bet you wear a mask in side your Ranger with windows up...it's all good...relax ?

 

[Mark Lally]

I bet you wear a mask in side your Ranger with windows up...it's all good...relax ?

Inside is one word.

 

[Msfitoy]

Inside is one word.

yOU ArE ROgHt mIkE... ? ?

 

[AzScorpion]

Coal is clean burning ??? WTF. I'm confident you are the type of person that also uses the term "plandemic".

Before you spout off false info please at least know what you're talking about. Yes there is such a thing as "clean coal" which is Anthracite coal. I burned it for many years and it's the cleanest burnins coal there is. NO you do not get black smoke billowing from your chimney like an old locomotive. While it is dirty to handle it is very clean burning.

Anthracite is considered the cleanest burning coal available. It produces more heat and less smoke than other coals and is widely used in hand-fired furnaces. Some residential home heating stove systems still use anthracite, which burns longer than wood.

https://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-anthracite-coal-1182544#:~:text=Anthracite is considered the cleanest burning coal available.,still use anthracite, which burns longer than wood.


https://www.csmonitor.com/1980/1112/111256.html

• Further, wood burns cleanly, while coal smoke is considered dirty. If you do use coal, anthracite is a relarively clean-burning fuel with a low sulfur content. Because it is the hardest of coals, anthracite is also less prone to crumbling and consequently is less dusty.

 

[AzScorpion]

I bet you wear a mask in side your Ranger with windows up...it's all good...relax ?

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[KNI]

Before you spout off FALSE info please at least know what you're talking about. Yes there is such a thing as "clean coal" which is Anthracite coal. I burned it for many years and it's the cleanest burins coal there is. NO you do not get black smoke billowing from your chimney like an old locomotive. While it is dirty to handle it is very clean burning.

Let me elaborate...

Anthracite (1500kg/m3) is 97-99% carbon depending on mining region. In high pressure and temperature the volatiles gets pushed out from the coal generating anthracite. It is lacking the porous structure of charcoal thus having more carbon per volume. Human alternative is coke where the volatiles have been heated out leaving the carbon.

Black coal (1300kg/m3) is about 70% of carbon.

Brown coal has about 25-30% of carbon will smoke like mad. Comparable to peat.

Charcoal (200-500kg/m3) has about 50% to 95% of carbon depending on how it's made. Low quality you start with match, high quality ones you need starting fluid or something which heats the individual pieces to 600'C. (tip: use wood or low quality to start the fire and then use the high quality charcoal for long burn)

And the cleanest burning coal is actually diamonds (3500kg/m3).. 99.99% of carbon

 

[Msfitoy]

Trace element CO2 is essential for life form...especially if you like oxygen producing plants that people and vegans very much need...unlike dihydrogen monoxide which most people agree should be banned

 

[DeathRanger]

I truly don't think anyone is forcing anyone to go electric. I could care less what anyone chooses to drive.

It costs me $250-$300 per month in electricity to charge the car
My electric bill last month was $100 due to solar giving me energy credits

Before getting electric vehicle my gas expenses each month were routinely $800-$1000.
I can't imagine paying for gas especially as gas prices will only keep going up.

I hope less people go electric so the small number of public charging stations isn't always full.

 

[TJC]

I truly don't think anyone is forcing anyone to go electric. I could care less what anyone chooses to drive.

It costs me $250-$300 per month in electricity to charge the car
My electric bill last month was $100 due to solar giving me energy credits

Before getting electric vehicle my gas expenses each month were routinely $800-$1000.
I can't imagine paying for gas especially as gas prices will only keep going up.

I hope less people go electric so the small number of public charging stations isn't always full.

Not sure i understand what you are saying. This is what I am hearing, please correct me if I am mistaken.

Your EV costs you $250-$300 more in your monthly electric bill. And the US Government is subsidizing $150-$200 of the monthly cost? So your cost is only $100 / month. Or you have solar panels installed on your home and the electric company is paying you for the energy?

If it is the first, your true cost is being carried by every taxpayer in America, and soon enough those credits will go away as the incentives drop off when enough people have made the switch.

Personally I think EVs make sense only in urban areas where travel is limited to less than 100 miles daily. Extended travel issues have not been solved yet. Think about the traffic volume at a typical gas station along an interstate with 4-10 minute fill up times.

Now lets compare the charging experience: Imagine a charge time of 1 hour to obtain 80% charge. Now imagine waiting in a line of EVs each taking an hour to hit that 80% charge. You'll be sitting at the charging station for 12-15 hours! imagine repeating that cycle time every 200 miles. That is 5 stops in 1000 miles. Theoretically, you could get there faster riding a bicycle at 20 mph (50 hours) vs avg 12 hour wait + 1 hour charge per recharge x 5 stops (65 hours recharge time + 15.5 hours travel time = ~80 hours). A 15.5 hour trip by ICE car is now 80+ hours by a present EV auto.

I know that I have pulled numbers out the thin air, but I have researched the charge times at Tesla's web site and the 1 hour given is quite generous - only the newest and most powerful charging stations can achieve that rate.

I'll keep my ICE car until someone can give me a Mr Fusion!

Bottom line:

We go electric, we loose individual mobility. Unless dramatic battery efficiencies are made, including reduced charge times, EVs will be limited to the short haul.

- T

 

[FoD]

I wonder if the all electric, non fossil folks are the same ones driving the nuclear energy shutdown too?

 

[spartan0078]

I'm not above getting an EV instead of an ICE, but they're too godamn expensive! You can get a hybrid and it's roughly the same price or a little more, but I feel like that defeats the purpose of going electric, and I've read differing opinions on the gas going stale in the tank if you don't use it.

Also I have a family of 4, so EV cars are out, plus cars suck. Need at least a CUV and they're still close to or over $60k in Canada.

It costs me $250-$300 per month in electricity to charge the car

Where the hell do you live that hydro is so expensive!? $300 is the YEARLY average for charging an EV in Canada!

 

[AzScorpion]

I'm not above getting an EV instead of an ICE, but they're too godamn expensive! You can get a hybrid and it's roughly the same price or a little more, but I feel like that defeats the purpose of going electric, and I've read differing opinions on the gas going stale in the tank if you don't use it.

Also I have a family of 4, so EV cars are out, plus cars suck. Need at least a CUV and they're still close to or over $60k in Canada.

Prices should come down when they become more popular and technology advances. Remember when plasma tv's first came out? I do because I had a friend who did home theaters and remember them selling for $16,000 but this was a high end Pioneer Elite. Now look how far they've come where LCD, LED, OLED etc have now taken over and Plasmas are basically a thing of the past. You can get a LCD tv for next to nothing now, they're basically disposable. Give it time and we should see the same thing with vehicles. Cant help you with the Canadian taxes though you'll have to move. ?

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