Vehicle Nannies are ANNOYING in new vehicles

[Chris M]

There seems to be about an equal number of folks here who like some or most of the driver assist features and those who don't. While I don't have any empirical facts to back it up, I have a hunch that those who turn the stuff off or don't order it in the first place when new, most are folks who grew up riding motorcycles or later ATVs, UTVs at an early age, or farm implements, or experience with big trucks.
My personal background is learning to drive on an International Farmall M when I was 14. Later I got into motorcycling and still ride today. Much later I drove semi trucks for 25 years and ~3.5 million miles, with no chargeable accidents and three two tickets (fought and won one).
My point is that those of us who were exposed to operating basic vehicles and motorcycles from an early age, and/or who have driven professionally generally have a better skillset than those who started driving later in life or drive seldomly.
Operating motorcycles and heavy trucks require a higher "Be Here Now" factor or alertness in other words, than driving today's light vehicles, and much of the assist features are not needed or wanted.
If CoPilot 360 and such features help you be a better, safer driver, then that's a good thing. But for me, the tech allows me to take my eye off the ball too much.

I know to dim my lights when I can see the oncoming vehicle's single headlight separate into two, or their flare as I top a hill, square off turns at an intersection- its a corner, not a curve, two second following distance, at a stop sign or signal, stop when the side mirror appears to be almost directly over the stop line- your bumper will be right at the line; try it at a big box parking lot.

Driving is a privilege. It is your right to do it well.

Amen.

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[LaBalbe]

There seems to be about an equal number of folks here who like some or most of the driver assist features and those who don't. While I don't have any empirical facts to back it up, I have a hunch that those who turn the stuff off or don't order it in the first place when new, most are folks who grew up riding motorcycles or later ATVs, UTVs at an early age, or farm implements, or experience with big trucks.
My personal background is learning to drive on an International Farmall M when I was 14. Later I got into motorcycling and still ride today. Much later I drove semi trucks for 25 years and ~3.5 million miles, with no chargeable accidents and three two tickets (fought and won one).
My point is that those of us who were exposed to operating basic vehicles and motorcycles from an early age, and/or who have driven professionally generally have a better skillset than those who started driving later in life or drive seldomly.
Operating motorcycles and heavy trucks require a higher "Be Here Now" factor or alertness in other words, than driving today's light vehicles, and much of the assist features are not needed or wanted.
If CoPilot 360 and such features help you be a better, safer driver, then that's a good thing. But for me, the tech allows me to take my eye off the ball too much.

I know to dim my lights when I can see the oncoming vehicle's single headlight separate into two, or their flare as I top a hill, square off turns at an intersection- its a corner, not a curve, two second following distance, at a stop sign or signal, stop when the side mirror appears to be almost directly over the stop line- your bumper will be right at the line; try it at a big box parking lot.

Driving is a privilege. It is your right to do it well.

Totally agree; for the record, had a small enduro bike first that I rode on the streets to school (nothing like being the airbag for the vehicle to learn to pay attention), then learned to drive on a stick-shift (with hand-crank windows, oh my!!), and even drove a school bus for a little bit.

 

[awd.nv]

There seems to be about an equal number of folks here who like some or most of the driver assist features and those who don't. While I don't have any empirical facts to back it up, I have a hunch that those who turn the stuff off or don't order it in the first place when new, most are folks who grew up riding motorcycles or later ATVs, UTVs at an early age, or farm implements, or experience with big trucks.
My personal background is learning to drive on an International Farmall M when I was 14. Later I got into motorcycling and still ride today. Much later I drove semi trucks for 25 years and ~3.5 million miles, with no chargeable accidents and three two tickets (fought and won one).
My point is that those of us who were exposed to operating basic vehicles and motorcycles from an early age, and/or who have driven professionally generally have a better skillset than those who started driving later in life or drive seldomly.
Operating motorcycles and heavy trucks require a higher "Be Here Now" factor or alertness in other words, than driving today's light vehicles, and much of the assist features are not needed or wanted.
If CoPilot 360 and such features help you be a better, safer driver, then that's a good thing. But for me, the tech allows me to take my eye off the ball too much.

I know to dim my lights when I can see the oncoming vehicle's single headlight separate into two, or their flare as I top a hill, square off turns at an intersection- its a corner, not a curve, two second following distance, at a stop sign or signal, stop when the side mirror appears to be almost directly over the stop line- your bumper will be right at the line; try it at a big box parking lot.

Driving is a privilege. It is your right to do it well.

I wonder, my first car in 2001 which I still have is a 66 Mustang stick shift. You have to be intentional when driving. Then with the engine upgrades and spool, if you weren't paying attention the car would kill you. It made for a fun car but you had to know the limits.

One thing they told us at Mercedes technical training is that it was the USA market that forced Benz to put cup holders in their vehicle. Many years later and we have technology that will change lanes for you in an F150, unless it is 100% self driving, that should NOT be in a truck of all things especially. Our loaner F150 has that feature, tried it and it wasn't even a butter smooth lane change, an officer would pull me over thinking I am drunk I am sure if they were behind me.

 

[dtech]

link below to Article about driver eye monitoring systems - close to being mandated in Europe and also under study for US vehicles. Wife's Subaru has this and it is really unnecessary as well as annoying and her Subie is a 2025 outback, the thing I dislike the most is Subaru packed as much as possible into a touch screen center console and to make certain adjustments to HVAC and other controls I find it necessary to take eyes off the road - kind of counter intuitive to safety. This system recognizes me when I enter the vehicle but not my wife who mostly drives it , I consider it unnecessary and another thing that drives up vehicle cost.

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/cars/news-blog/driver-monitoring-45135808

 

[AzScorpion]

link below to Article about driver eye monitoring systems - close to being mandated in Europe and also under study for US vehicles. Wife's Subaru has this and it is really unnecessary as well as annoying and her Subie is a 2025 outback, the thing I dislike the most is Subaru packed as much as possible into a touch screen center console and to make certain adjustments to HVAC and other controls I find it necessary to take eyes off the road - kind of counter intuitive to safety. This system recognizes me when I enter the vehicle but not my wife who mostly drives it , I consider it unnecessary and another thing that drives up vehicle cost.

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/cars/news-blog/driver-monitoring-45135808

The new Camry has something similar. I remember reading about it on their forum and you can't shut it off or even put a piece of tape across it. IIRC most new vehicles sold here in 2027 were supposed to start getting it but I may be wrong on the date. I was talking with someone about this not too long ago and he heard it was going to be squashed but I haven't found anything on that yet either. I hope it does because it's making me reconsider any newer vehicles that have this now.

 

[Motorpsychology]

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[LaBalbe]

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That's funny, but it is really only a matter of time before some such mask/device starts showing up on the black market to try and defy these things.

 

[awd.nv]

link below to Article about driver eye monitoring systems - close to being mandated in Europe and also under study for US vehicles. Wife's Subaru has this and it is really unnecessary as well as annoying and her Subie is a 2025 outback, the thing I dislike the most is Subaru packed as much as possible into a touch screen center console and to make certain adjustments to HVAC and other controls I find it necessary to take eyes off the road - kind of counter intuitive to safety. This system recognizes me when I enter the vehicle but not my wife who mostly drives it , I consider it unnecessary and another thing that drives up vehicle cost.

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/cars/news-blog/driver-monitoring-45135808

Yeah those touch controls are so annoying, we had a rental Subie while out of state and I was thinking how much I would dislike daily driving that thing. It kinda had a dead spot center of the steering wheel.

Man, not sure I mentioned earlier but I am still upset about the F150 loaner that had that self driving add on, even when it was off, it would try to control me to stay center of the lane. I noticed because there was a good sized rock I drifted to avoid and it tried to keep me in the lane. That and when backing up, I was trying to get well into the spot and it slammed the brakes thinking I was going to hit the bush even though I had plenty of space.

There is going to be a point they go so far that I am going to have to figure out what I do for a new vehicle. I will probably become one of those dues with a restomod vehicle I daily because I am too tired of the tech.

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