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[Snorebaby]

This may be a little off-topic, but it is been bugging me lately.

Do people understand what an auction is for? Of course to sell something. But if I wanted to pay retail or MORE than retail, I would just go to the store (or online) and get it. Why would I pay extra for something? It amazes me how people lose their mind when it comes to auctions......let's see how MUCH I can pay for something rather than get it at a decent price!!

As Phil would say.....a bit of a backstory. Keep in mind I am talking about everyday items, not rare or unusual items.

I helped a friend with his auction business for about 10yrs (before he passed). Every Sunday I worked the table and the crowd. Sometimes I would travel with him on Friday and Saturday nights. I know the object of the auction is to get as much as you can for an item from the seller's standpoint. That is where reserve's and minimum bid's come into play. A reserve or minimum bid has to be met or it won't be sold. When no reserve and no minimum bid is applied, then all bids are fair game.

Now the object of the buyer is to save money and get something below retail but still a decent price. I could bid $75 on a $100 common item with no reserve or minimum bid price and win that item for $75 if no one else bids.

But the mentality of some bidders drive me crazy. Why drive a bid up to $150 on a common $100 item? Do you not understand you are trying to SAVE money? I seen it a lot. As an auctioneer, sometimes you have to work the crowd and get them to bid higher so you can "back the bid down". What happens then is the auctioneer stops the bidding and lowers the price of the item to what is needed for that item. This lower price applies to all who were bidding over the actual price (usually 3 or 4 people in a bidding war). If there are any items left, it goes to the next bidders and so on. What this does is set up the crowd to pay more for some other items where you can make your money on. And there are other subtle ways to get the bids rolling that I won't go into right now.

But the online auctions don't work like that. The mentality is to SAVE money when bidding on items. You set a limit on how much you would want to spend and leave it alone. Hopefully it is for less than retail but a decent price. If not, then what is the point? I see a lot of bids and think what's the point of buying from an auction? You still have to pay shipping and FFL fees. And you still are bidding more than retail?

Unless of course there is a setup where a friend of the seller (or the seller himself with another account) is driving up the price for the seller and if the friend happens to be the high bidder, they make you think it is sold, but the transaction either doesn't take place in real life or they work out something else to fool the public. I hope that isn't the case, but I have heard of it being done.

OK...enough of a rant. Thanks for listening!

Now I am hoping to get the Shockwave for less than $300 or close to it, which is a price it was prior to the "pandemic". The ammo prices are starting to creep down, so the weapon prices should follow soon.

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[joeb427]

You're absolutely right!
Used prices on Gunbroker can get crazy.

Gunbroker has a bunch of new P365's at over the $499 number I can buy online in many places.
A lot of suckers out there.

 

[SubVet]

Glad your wife can rack the new ones because you'd be selling those too. lol I had the Sig P238 and it was a nice gun but sold it to a friend of mine right before I moved out here,he wanted it for his girlfriend. I think I only put 150 rounds through it but being so close to a 9mm and more expensive I didn't feel the need to keep it.

You should keep at least one of those before selling both of them. They're really good carry guns and sometimes you want a light gun when it's hot in the summer and a 1911 gets heavy.

Edit: We're going out shooting today so I will finally get to shoot the new P365 XL and the Springfield 1911 along with the Rugged Obsidian 9 suppressor. I think it's been a month since the last time I was out and have collected those last 3 since then. lol

I misspoke She can NOT rack my guns in stock. So I had to buy her the 380 EZ. Hopefully she can rack that..

I just went on a little buying spree. Bought the Bodyguard and the LCP 2 . They are the smallest guns I have. I was hoping Becca could rack the BG or LCP. I'm probably going to let go of The Bodyguard and my p365. I ordered a 1911 in 38, 9 mm and 45
Kimber Micro 9/Kimber Stainless Pro Carry/ Kimber Micro 380.

The wife could not rack any of my guns so I ordered her an MP EZ 380. I'm likely going to sell the P365 as I am a huge 1911 style fan. Ya THINK??? I had to buy a smaller safe for the Overflow

 

[SubVet]

and Wolf are the only ones I get for target rounds. Never had a problem with them either. I expect another surge in prices around Oct. (right before election season). I have yet to shoot any of the ammo I got back in Feb. Got the LaserHit and been practicing with it. Just haven't had the time to go to the range. Been working on my '90 GL1500 on my days off to get it ready to sell. Finally put it all back together, but have not test drove it yet. Hopefully that comes tomorrow. I told the wife we need to shoot soon......going through withdrawals. Gotta smell that gun powder!!

My range won't allow me the use of TulAmmo. Maybe it's the metal cartridge. They always run a magnet over the bullets to check for what I don't know. But they don't like steel cartridges. So what I do is I hide them I put four rounds of 9 m m and then three more rounds of that TulAmmo

Plus the range I go to doesn't check for pre loaded mags. I preload all my mags for the range. That's why I have eight for the Sig p365. Probably sell those on eBay and just Market the gun on GunBroker or someplace. I figure $400 with 7 mags, two of them extended magazines. Much less than that and I'll keep it.

 

[AzScorpion]

Please let us know how the P365 XL shoots. I really want to make it MY next gun, unless of course I can get the Browning 1911-380 at a great price. But first, the Mossberg Shockwave for the wife is priority.?

So the first mag ran fine through the P365 then about 3-4 rounds through the second mag it jams. Ok so I clear it and again next one FTE. Empty the mag and put it different ammo and still the same results,will not eject the spent casing. The ejector looks good so I guess Sig will get a call tomorrow and back to the factory it goes. T I thought the regular 365 had this problem and it was supposedly fixed with the XL. I was hoping this would be my new carry gun but even when fixed I wouldn't trust it until I have at least 1000 + rounds though it without any problems. Sure Sig will fix it and make it right but nowhere have I seen extractor issues with the XL. I guess it's possible it's something else. All the reviews I read no one had any issues with theirs so before I get to bent out of shape I guess I should wait to see what Sig says.

I know my Kimber had a few issues but they were mostly with the sights and red dot. Having FTF or FTE make me nervous so I don't know what I'm going to do yet but my Shield will continue to be my carry along with my 1911's.

At least the Springfield 1911 ran flawless! I ran 100 rounds through it with 3 different mags,the stock mags,the Mac-Gar mags and the 5 new mags from eBay. Tom those eBay mags are great and worth getting. They are the same exact mags as the factory Kimber and Springfield mags.

It was getting warm fast today so I only ran 35 rounds through my new Rugged Obsidian 9 Suppressor and luckily that was flawless too.

 

[AzScorpion]

This may be a little off-topic, but it is been bugging me lately.

Do people understand what an auction is for? Of course to sell something. But if I wanted to pay retail or MORE than retail, I would just go to the store (or online) and get it. Why would I pay extra for something? It amazes me how people lose their mind when it comes to auctions......let's see how MUCH I can pay for something rather than get it at a decent price!!

As Phil would say.....a bit of a backstory. Keep in mind I am talking about everyday items, not rare or unusual items.

I helped a friend with his auction business for about 10yrs (before he passed). Every Sunday I worked the table and the crowd. Sometimes I would travel with him on Friday and Saturday nights. I know the object of the auction is to get as much as you can for an item from the seller's standpoint. That is where reserve's and minimum bid's come into play. A reserve or minimum bid has to be met or it won't be sold. When no reserve and no minimum bid is applied, then all bids are fair game.

Now the object of the buyer is to save money and get something below retail but still a decent price. I could bid $75 on a $100 common item with no reserve or minimum bid price and win that item for $75 if no one else bids.

But the mentality of some bidders drive me crazy. Why drive a bid up to $150 on a common $100 item? Do you not understand you are trying to SAVE money? I seen it a lot. As an auctioneer, sometimes you have to work the crowd and get them to bid higher so you can "back the bid down". What happens then is the auctioneer stops the bidding and lowers the price of the item to what is needed for that item. This lower price applies to all who were bidding over the actual price (usually 3 or 4 people in a bidding war). If there are any items left, it goes to the next bidders and so on. What this does is set up the crowd to pay more for some other items where you can make your money on. And there are other subtle ways to get the bids rolling that I won't go into right now.

But the online auctions don't work like that. The mentality is to SAVE money when bidding on items. You set a limit on how much you would want to spend and leave it alone. Hopefully it is for less than retail but a decent price. If not, then what is the point? I see a lot of bids and think what's the point of buying from an auction? You still have to pay shipping and FFL fees. And you still are bidding more than retail?

Unless of course there is a setup where a friend of the seller (or the seller himself with another account) is driving up the price for the seller and if the friend happens to be the high bidder, they make you think it is sold, but the transaction either doesn't take place in real life or they work out something else to fool the public. I hope that isn't the case, but I have heard of it being done.

OK...enough of a rant. Thanks for listening!

Now I am hoping to get the Shockwave for less than $300 or close to it, which is a price it was prior to the "pandemic". The ammo prices are starting to creep down, so the weapon prices should follow soon.

Lol Ebay is the same way. I've seen items go for more than you can get them retail for. I think some get so caught up in the whole bidding war that they're so determined to win they end up overpaying. That's why I always use the "Buy it now" tab,I can't wait 5 days to find out I could've just went to the local store and bought it for the same price.

 

[AzScorpion]

My range won't allow me the use of TulAmmo. Maybe it's the metal cartridge. They always run a magnet over the bullets to check for what I don't know. But they don't like steel cartridges. So what I do is I hide them I put four rounds of 9 m m and then three more rounds of that TulAmmo

Plus the range I go to doesn't check for pre loaded mags. I preload all my mags for the range. That's why I have eight for the Sig p365. Probably sell those on eBay and just Market the gun on GunBroker or someplace. I figure $400 with 7 mags, two of them extended magazines. Much less than that and I'll keep it.

I know most indoor ranges don't allow steel cased. One reason is most steel cased has a bi metal bullet and they cause more sarks and can also damage the backstops. Another is some ranges make you leave your brass and it's useless to them because you can't reload it. They could just run a magnet over it to pick it up but I guess when you have a large range with a lot of people shooting that could take up a lot of time

 

[Snorebaby]

So the first mag ran fine through the P365 then about 3-4 rounds through the second mag it jams. Ok so I clear it and again next one FTE. Empty the mag and put it different ammo and still the same results,will not eject the spent casing. The ejector looks good so I guess Sig will get a call tomorrow and back to the factory it goes. T I thought the regular 365 had this problem and it was supposedly fixed with the XL. I was hoping this would be my new carry gun but even when fixed I wouldn't trust it until I have at least 1000 + rounds though it without any problems. Sure Sig will fix it and make it right but nowhere have I seen extractor issues with the XL. I guess it's possible it's something else. All the reviews I read no one had any issues with theirs so before I get to bent out of shape I guess I should wait to see what Sig says.

I know my Kimber had a few issues but they were mostly with the sights and red dot. Having FTF or FTE make me nervous so I don't know what I'm going to do yet but my Shield will continue to be my carry along with my 1911's.

At least the Springfield 1911 ran flawless! I ran 100 rounds through it with 3 different mags,the stock mags,the Mac-Gar mags and the 5 new mags from eBay. Tom those eBay mags are great and worth getting. They are the same exact mags as the factory Kimber and Springfield mags.

It was getting warm fast today so I only ran 35 rounds through my new Rugged Obsidian 9 Suppressor and luckily that was flawless too.

Damn...everything I have seen is that it is flawless!! Hopefully it was just a anomaly. I know Sig will make it right and I understand running 1000+ rounds to make sure.

On a better thought....I scored a decent check tonight from my mom...tomorrow (5/26) is my B-day and she always writes a check. Looks like I got some "free" money toward another weapon! It's put back til I can score one at a decent price. Plus I test drove my 1990 GL1500 that I have been getting ready for sale...hopefully put it on the market in the next 2 weeks. Whatever it sells for goes toward weapons/ammo also.

 

[Snorebaby]

My range won't allow me the use of TulAmmo. Maybe it's the metal cartridge. They always run a magnet over the bullets to check for what I don't know. But they don't like steel cartridges. So what I do is I hide them I put four rounds of 9 m m and then three more rounds of that TulAmmo

Plus the range I go to doesn't check for pre loaded mags. I preload all my mags for the range. That's why I have eight for the Sig p365. Probably sell those on eBay and just Market the gun on GunBroker or someplace. I figure $400 with 7 mags, two of them extended magazines. Much less than that and I'll keep it.

The range I go to doesn't care. The indoor range makes you clean up your own stall and put it in a 5 gal bucket. The outdoor range does it for you. I usually take my magnet with me to get up most of my steel casings. Only takes a few minutes and I don't mind doing it.

 

[AzScorpion]

Damn...everything I have seen is that it is flawless!! Hopefully it was just a anomaly. I know Sig will make it right and I understand running 1000+ rounds to make sure.

On a better thought....I scored a decent check tonight from my mom...tomorrow (5/26) is my B-day and she always writes a check. Looks like I got some "free" money toward another weapon! It's put back til I can score one at a decent price. Plus I test drove my 1990 GL1500 that I have been getting ready for sale...hopefully put it on the market in the next 2 weeks. Whatever it sells for goes toward weapons/ammo also.

Now that I've calmed down some I looked at it again and I see what looks to be a small adjustment screw above the extractor. I'm guessing it's set to tight and it's not grabbing the rim of the casing fast enough. Before I mess with it I'll call Sig in the morning because with my luck I'll mess with it and something else will happen. Besides I'd rather have them waste their ammo adjusting it as long as they're not to backed up from this whole Covid mess.

It's always nice getting "free money" usually I just find a quarter in my pants pocket. lol Hopefully you can find the Shockwave soon once Mossberg catches up with their production.

 

[AzScorpion]

@Snorebaby Happy Birthday! Hopefully you get some more checks for your firearms account. ?

 

[Snorebaby]

@AzScorpion Thank you!

 

[BDoc]

Damn...everything I have seen is that it is flawless!! Hopefully it was just a anomaly. I know Sig will make it right and I understand running 1000+ rounds to make sure.

On a better thought....I scored a decent check tonight from my mom...tomorrow (5/26) is my B-day and she always writes a check. Looks like I got some "free" money toward another weapon! It's put back til I can score one at a decent price. Plus I test drove my 1990 GL1500 that I have been getting ready for sale...hopefully put it on the market in the next 2 weeks. Whatever it sells for goes toward weapons/ammo also.

Happy Birthday, Doug!

 

[Snorebaby]

@BDoc Thank You!

 

[AzScorpion]

So the first mag ran fine through the P365 then about 3-4 rounds through the second mag it jams. Ok so I clear it and again next one FTE. Empty the mag and put it different ammo and still the same results,will not eject the spent casing. The ejector looks good so I guess Sig will get a call tomorrow and back to the factory it goes. T I thought the regular 365 had this problem and it was supposedly fixed with the XL. I was hoping this would be my new carry gun but even when fixed I wouldn't trust it until I have at least 1000 + rounds though it without any problems. Sure Sig will fix it and make it right but nowhere have I seen extractor issues with the XL. I guess it's possible it's something else. All the reviews I read no one had any issues with theirs so before I get to bent out of shape I guess I should wait to see what Sig says.

Talked to Sig and of course they said this is the first they've heard of this issue. I voiced my concern about feeling safe carrying this now and he did say they would completely go through the whole gun and do whatever it takes to get it up and running right. I know they will as Sig has outstanding CS and they sent me a shipping label right away. He said I should have it back in 7-10 days which is great considering what's going on now a days. I do feel confident they will make this right just like Kimber did but I will still want to run at least 1000 rounds through it before I carry it now.

On a good note the 15 rounds or so I put through it I really liked the way the gun ran. I was shooting a little high and left but that was just me getting use to it. The groupings were tight so once I get it back I'm sure once I have a few hundred rounds though it this will be a real tack driver!

I take my Kimber out every time and run 50 rounds through it. I really love this 1911 and since getting it back it's performed flawless. It's a 5" 1911 with a Vortex Venom red dot so this is just a target pistol.

The Springfield being a 4" 1911 will probably be one I will rotate and carry. I can't remember who it was asking a while back about what to recommend for a good 1911 and for the money the Springfield is now HIGH on my list. I've had my Springfield EMP Micro for over 10 years now and this new one is just as nice. Springfield and Kimber are my top 2 choices for 1911's,you get what you pay for and honestly they're very reasonable considering their great CS!

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