Getting a speeding ticket from a...Game Warden?

[NotBudule2]

Yeah I bet you know all 23,000 pages of laws on the books.

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[Jhbryaniv]

I live in Massachusetts and after 9 11 the state formed a department of homeland security. As part of that activity they retitled all the game wardens to environmental police and moved them under the department of homeland security. As such they now have more authority than any other law enforcement agency in the state. There job description is still the same with the added responsibility of enforcing/investigating environmental pollution cases.

There is a state conservation area near my house that the environmental police have a headquarters building. About 1/2 the officers you see are dressed in the traditional green and tan game warden uniform and are pretty laid back. The other half are a bunch of egotistical idiots. They are dressed head to toe in black, were a military grade ballistic vest, have a side arm on their hip, one on there ankle and a M4 assault rifle on their chest. They will also be carrying enough ammo to fight a small war. These individuals are the ones giving people grief for not having their dog on a leash, stopping you and reading you the riot act over picking up your dogs waste whether they have gone or not. These folks are also out on rural roads playing traffic cop.

So, just regular cops doing regular cop things... Got it...


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[TJC]

An excerpt from The Law:

"The law perverted! And the police powers of the state perverted along with it! The law, I say, not only turned from its proper purpose but made to follow an entirely contrary purpose! The law become the weapon of every kind of greed! Instead of checking crime, the law itself guilty of the evils it is supposed to punish!"

It speaks for itself

France in 1850

 

[Fawnbuster]

Depending on the state, state game wardens and state park officers have the same powers as police/sheriff's.
If it's a national park then they have all the powers of police/sheriff's, and sometimes even more as they can actually conduct a warrantless search of your vehicle. If they find anything amiss, it becomes a federal crime.
Think of a State Park Ranger as the same as a State Police or State Patrol Officer, and a National Park Ranger as a Federal Officer.

Indiana Conservation officers have State wide powers just city, county & state. I had 10 C.O.s in my academy class in 1988

 

[Fawnbuster]

So, just regular cops doing regular cop things... Got it...


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When they aren't being Rabbit Rangers lol. Been a while since we all slung job insults at each other.

 

[TJC]

No need to sling anything, but there is a need to demand integrity and honor from each of us. And accountability and forgiveness when we slip. And somewhere in the mix we lay the foundation, the Golden Rule.

If we do not exhibit these behaviors, we are doomed to failure. In the now and hereafter.

 

[Fawnbuster]

We've had each other's backs for 35+ years, taken hunting and fishing trips all across the nation plus vacations with our wives. Let alone all of the training and calls we took.

Our bantering is with much love and respect and in private. My 1st choice in LEO was a CO but they slapped a college degree on it when I went to apply, they where and are short handed so they changed all of the DNR discretionary orders to state laws so all cops can enforce them. Im an advance hunter education instructor, advanced STOPS, advanced EVO and advanced Firearms instructor. I've hunted and fished across the nation with several of them, CO, state city and county. We've been to each other's weddings and funerals for one another, carried friends caskets and recovered drowning victims together. Let alone all of the remodeling We've done . We train hard and fight harder, I assure you were good with our friendships...

The attached picture is in my hallway here at home, had one in my office at the S.O. but that ones in my man cave now.

You don't know me or any of them so please don't assume or lecture.

 

[TJC]

You are stating exactly what I am saying. All of us, not just LEO, should strive for these ideals.

I've seen first hand what long term stress can do to a LEO. I witnessed a dear friend harden over 15 years from his experiences. He ended up throwing his wife though a sliding glass door and being kicked off the force for other more severe behaviors. He went from a carefree fun loving guy to a quiet man with an extremely short violent trigger.

He was a victim.

I knew a POW who came back from the Hanoi Hilton and watched him redeem himself (my Flight instructor - a Full Bird Colonel when I met him) from the intense stress that he endured

He was a survivor.

Saying something is one thing, living it is quite another. It takes a strong man to endure, and still find a way to have compassion and love for his fellow man.

I have been lucky enough in this life to only have a couple of instances where I felt that my life was in immediate peril. It took me 3 years to recover from one of those events. During that very dark 3 years I was a risk to myself and to others. Hypersensitive and hyper-angry. It took me letting go and giving it all to God before I found peace.

I still and will always have heightened situational awareness (it's been over 30 years now), but everyday I try to find some way to do one good deed, something kind for someone else.

Nature abhors a vacuum, I try to fill that vacuum with good, rather then to let evil win. Our actions ripple out to others, and down touching future generations. For me a sobering thought.

I don't know if what you said was aimed at me, but if it was I meant no disrespect.

 

[Jhbryaniv]

We've had each other's backs for 35+ years, taken hunting and fishing trips all across the nation plus vacations with our wives. Let alone all of the training and calls we took.

Our bantering is with much love and respect and in private. My 1st choice in LEO was a CO but they slapped a college degree on it when I went to apply, they where and are short handed so they changed all of the DNR discretionary orders to state laws so all cops can enforce them. Im an advance hunter education instructor, advanced STOPS, advanced EVO and advanced Firearms instructor. I've hunted and fished across the nation with several of them, CO, state city and county. We've been to each other's weddings and funerals for one another, carried friends caskets and recovered drowning victims together. Let alone all of the remodeling We've done . We train hard and fight harder, I assure you were good with our friendships...

The attached picture is in my hallway here at home, had one in my office at the S.O. but that ones in my man cave now.

You don't know me or any of them so please don't assume or lecture.

Sorry, I believe the internet was created to lecture strangers on topics we shouldn't. ?

Real world, there are good and bad in every profession and when you are in a profession that is public facing people critic everything. Sometimes it's legitimate, sometimes it's not.

 

[MountainGoat]

Making it a good cop/bad cop thing is missing the point. Nevermind sleepy smoothbrain making it about the kid in the video looking like a loser.

Warrantless searches of your property. Cop does it, you say "Hey that's an illegal violation of the 4th amendment". Then he goes "Oh I'm not a cop I'm a game warden. So go back inside while I setup cameras on your property."

On top of that having a quota system is illegal too. They state up front they are required to write one violation every 23 hours. Then they tell the reporter "It's not a quota system, it's a performance goal". In both cases they're just mincing words to break the law. There is no accountability.

 

[Jhbryaniv]

Well, at least you didn't suggest I kill myself today.

 

[dtech]

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Making it a good cop/bad cop thing is missing the point. Nevermind sleepy smoothbrain making it about the kid in the video looking like a loser.

Warrantless searches of your property. Cop does it, you say "Hey that's an illegal violation of the 4th amendment". Then he goes "Oh I'm not a cop I'm a game warden. So go back inside while I setup cameras on your property."

On top of that having a quota system is illegal too. They state up front they are required to write one violation every 23 hours. Then they tell the reporter "It's not a quota system, it's a performance goal". In both cases they're just mincing words to break the law. There is no accountability.
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I agree about the legality of the quota system - and I did see the quota mentioned in the video - it's misuse of authority . This is why investigative journalism has value and IMO there is value when people standup and complain about this kind of thing. However I do support the rights of game wardens as there was one who would often stop by our hunting blind and chew the fat - turns out she had an interest in our club president , but he never took her up and she was attractive. . She talked about poachers and how difficult it is to catch them, some stories she told left us laughing like finding ducks over the legal limit taped to the underside of a vehicle. Searched the internet and it's believed that at a max about 5% of game poachers are caught - most owing from tips from law abiding citizens. Below an excerpt from an attorney specializing in wildlife crimes:

In certain circumstances, conservation officers or game wardens have all the powers of any other peace officer. Conducting a search without consent and without a warrant is only legal if the officer -- ANY peace or police officer -- has probable cause to believe that evidence of a crime is located in the premises to be searched and he believes that there is a risk of the evidence being compromised or destroyed if he does not seize it immediately.

 

[TJC]

No warrant. No Search. It should be as simple as that.

 

[9zero1790]

couldnt get the video to play. in texas the game wardens are not to be tangled with. they can enforce all the laws of the state and typically dont pussyfoot around.

 

[TJC]

couldnt get the video to play. in texas the game wardens are not to be tangled with. they can enforce all the laws of the state and typically dont pussyfoot around.

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