Suspension Lift vs Body Lift

[Frenchy]

I agree with you. I was just writing why control arms are good. Yes if the coil overs are extended travel, uca are needed.
If crash bars are modified and OP did some trimming they could put a bigger tire.

Depending on tire and tire size it may be possible that trimming and crash bar modifications can be avoided even with 33's(I myself and a few pthers on here have experienced such).

As for extended travel it really depends on how much extra travel you are talking about. Pretty much all the aftermarket shocks available for tgese trucks are extended travel compared to stock including the shucks from Old Man EMU. As long as the suspension kit is designed to work well and get the factory alignment back into specifications then control arms arent necessary. The only way ir becomes a bit different is when you go to the crazy baja kit that replaces all the control arms both top and bottom. Even with that they still use the same struts if you weren't doing that baja kit. If anything the shocks would have different valving due to the extea leverage.

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[AdamHarris]

Actually due to only lifting the front and not touching the rear is what causes the problem that many run into when only perfoming a leveling kit. As you mention you are at max adjustment. Well with Old Man EMU it lifts the front by 2.4(close enough to 2.5) and also lifts the rear by 1.6 because of this you still have enough rake where the alignment can get back into specifications and still have room for adjustment if needed. Want to say there is nothing special? Remember they have more experience with suspension then you and most other companies out there.

My friend Rake has absolutely nothing to do with being able to align the truck or how much alignment travel is present. If I raised the rear of my truck that would Just Not give me any more alignment travel whatsoever. Not sure if you go old-school drag racer 8 inches too high in the rear or Carolina bull crap way too low in the rear that could affect things..maybe. But not the 2 inches we’re talking about here.

So OME told you they were awesome because they also lifted the back of your truck up where others don’t?

 

[Frenchy]

My friend Rake has absolutely nothing to do with being able to align the truck or how much alignment travel is present. If I raised the rear of my truck that would Just Not give me any more alignment travel whatsoever. Not sure if you go old-school drag racer 8 inches too high in the rear or Carolina bull crap way too low in the rear that could affect things..maybe. But not the 2 inches we’re talking about here.

So OME told you they were awesome because they also lifted the back of your truck up where others don’t?

So clearly you're missing the entire point and going AWOL stupid for who knows what reason. Put simple those who only do a leveling kit on their trucks have trouble getting back into Factory alignment specifications primarily for the fact that Castor is not able to be put back into specification which is why you guys have to install upper control arms. Also that upper control arm is not going to increase the travel of the front whatsoever. Perhaps you should pay attention and think?

 

[AdamHarris]

So clearly you're missing the entire point and going AWOL stupid for who knows what reason. Put simple those who only do a leveling kit on their trucks have trouble getting back into Factory alignment specifications primarily for the fact that Castor is not able to be put back into specification which is why you guys have to install upper control arms. Also that upper control arm is not going to increase the travel of the front whatsoever. Perhaps you should pay attention and think?

Now don’t play the asshole, it’s not your style. There is very little castor adjustment in these suspensions. It’s basically set by the angle Ford decided to weld the UCA And LCA mounts to the frame. Aftermarket adjustable UCAs give a person more Camber that is often needed, which can actually change as the suspension cycles. Bottom line you need to learn more about all this (of you are going to post SO much about it) and utilize more than just the OME by ARB sales team as a source.

 

[Frenchy]

Now don’t play the asshole, it’s not your style. There is very little castor adjustment in these suspensions. It’s basically set by the angle Ford decided to weld the UCA And LCA mounts to the frame. Aftermarket adjustable UCAs give a person more Camber that is often needed, which can actually change as the suspension cycles. Bottom line you need to learn more about all this (of you are going to post SO much about it) and utilize more than just the OME by ARB sales team as a source.

And due to the little caster adjustment available you have to fix the issue with control arms because your leveling kit took the caster put of specification. Not to mention that a truck is supposed to have rake when not loaded. In a different thread(fairly new as we speak) another member is trying to figure out some suspension options while having his load on the truck and getting extra clearance. As to no suprise I did recommend the Old Man EMU and that was due to the fact with his load the truck was already leveled. With the correct lift kit he can bring the entire truck up. If he only did a leveling kit he would see more problems then do something like add air bags(a bandaid to the issue). Put simple with the correct suspension setup(wich a leveling kit wont do) you can achieve great things with you vehicle.

Think I'm being the asshole? Last I checked you decided to attack me

 

[AdamHarris]

And due to the little caster adjustment available you have to fix the issue with control arms because your leveling kit took the caster put of specification. Not to mention that a truck is supposed to have rake when not loaded. In a different thread(fairly new as we speak) another member is trying to figure out some suspension options while having his load on the truck and getting extra clearance. As to no suprise I did recommend the Old Man EMU and that was due to the fact with his load the truck was already leveled. With the correct lift kit he can bring the entire truck up. If he only did a leveling kit he would see more problems then do something like add air bags(a bandaid to the issue). Put simple with the correct suspension setup(wich a leveling kit wont do) you can achieve great things with you vehicle.

Think I'm being the asshole? Last I checked you decided to attack me

Disagreeing with you is not attacking you Karen. Firestone rear airbags are a Great way to keep your truck level No Matter the load or no load. Level kits are Just Fine! You just have some strange ideas and your passion for them is misleading to those who don’t know.

 

[Frenchy]

Disagreeing with you is not attacking you Karen. Firestone rear airbags are a Great way to keep your truck level No Matter the load or no load. Level kits are Just Fine! You just have some strange ideas and your passion for them is misleading to those who don’t know.

Perhaps you still dont understand truck suspension then. No worries, just remember you are deciding to keep your ignorance. Until you decide to change that you will never understand

 

[jflogerzi]

I installed Fox 2.0’s in the rear last year. Those were a welcome change from the bouncy FX4 shocks. What would be a good choice of level kit for the front that keeps it simple and cost effective?

Honestly Fox 2.0 coils in the front. Add SPC UCA's and you are ready. The coils can adjust up to 3 inches and will ride way better then the stock FX4s

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