They want my stoves

[Ranger Roger]

Oh the inhumanity! Who would have thought such a simple molecule CH4, could have caused such havoc.

And even CO2. Imagine that we exhale it and plants use it.

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[Fordup]

yea, just before it malfunctions and you have to buy a new one.

15 years old and still burns nice. It's going to outlast me.

 

[Fawnbuster]

Having a gas range /oven for me is a must. I like cooking on it and when the power goes out in winter I can still have some emergency heat if I have to. I couldn't convert to an electric range if I wanted to, I am on a 100 Amp service (and recently upgraded) and I don't have amperage to spare. We plan on installing a natural gas backup generator too as funds allow. I don't like having all my eggs in one basket. Even my furnace and water heater are gas, I can power my furnace with a car battery if I had to. Only our clothes dryer is electric.

 

[Cmar]

And even CO2. Imagine that we exhale it and plants use it.

True that. Climate change is real. People don't seem to realise that climate is NOT static, there have been periods of the earths history when it was warmer and had far more CO2 in the atmosphere than it does now. All the carbons in the ground, originally came from the atmosphere. All we did was put some of it back.

Was that smart - I don't know, did we cause climate change - I don't think so, the climate has changed in the past before, entirely without our help.
Antarctica was once temperate, ice came and went all on it's own, species died out and were replaced all on their own.
Did we make it worse - quite possibly, but I don't know for sure. Measuring change is not the same as causing it. - except in quantum theory.

I have no issue that we should try to move to a cleaner, more sustainable way of life, that's just common sense. However in our rush to do so let's just stop and think for a bit, and not make a whole lot of new mistakes on the way.

 

[Fordup]

Having a gas range /oven for me is a must. I like cooking on it and when the power goes out in winter I can still have some emergency heat if I have to. I couldn't convert to an electric range if I wanted to, I am on a 100 Amp service (and recently upgraded) and I don't have amperage to spare. We plan on installing a natural gas backup generator too as funds allow. I don't like having all my eggs in one basket. Even my furnace and water heater are gas, I can power my furnace with a car battery if I had to. Only our clothes dryer is electric.

I just had to switch my water heater from propane because propane went to $4.99 a gallon last year and it was costing a fortune. Hybrid electric only costs 10% of what propane was costing. Will never switch the stove to electric. My biggest problem after the water heater switch was nobody wanted to deliver propane for just stove use. I bought 2- 100 pound tanks from Costco and got them filled so now I am set for probably 2 years. I do have an old electric stove in my shop for powder coating that I could show the stove police so I am covered .

 

[Fawnbuster]

I just had to switch my water heater from propane because propane went to $4.99 a gallon last year and it was costing a fortune. Hybrid electric only costs 10% of what propane was costing. Will never switch the stove to electric. My biggest problem after the water heater switch was nobody wanted to deliver propane for just stove use. I bought 2- 100 pound tanks from Costco and got them filled so now I am set for probably 2 years. I do have an old electric stove in my shop for powder coating that I could show the stove police so I am covered .

I feel your pain and laughter at the same time! I bought a new water heater 2 years ago, when the time comes for a new one I plan to get a gas one that's on demand, don't run out and gain space in my crowded mechanical room/area.

 

[Cmar]

I just had to switch my water heater from propane because propane went to $4.99 a gallon last year and it was costing a fortune. Hybrid electric only costs 10% of what propane was costing. Will never switch the stove to electric. My biggest problem after the water heater switch was nobody wanted to deliver propane for just stove use. I bought 2- 100 pound tanks from Costco and got them filled so now I am set for probably 2 years. I do have an old electric stove in my shop for powder coating that I could show the stove police so I am covered .

We're all electric here, no choice the gas mains don't come out this far, and trucked LPG (propane) is just too expensive. Next door use it and are always bitching about the cost. We have roof top solar power and solar hot water so power bills are not too bad pretty much cost us nothing to run the house during the day. Should invest in a power wall, the utility only gives us back $0.08 per kilowatt hour credit on excess solar but charge us $0.26 at night when we're not making any. Heating costs us zip but a bit of my time we have plenty of wood on the property and summer storms usually knock down enough to last through the next winter! If I have urge to cook over gas I just go outside and use the BBQ, if I feel like real flame I have a wood burner too.

 

[FerdRanger]

I just had to switch my water heater from propane because propane went to $4.99 a gallon last year and it was costing a fortune. Hybrid electric only costs 10% of what propane was costing. Will never switch the stove to electric. My biggest problem after the water heater switch was nobody wanted to deliver propane for just stove use. I bought 2- 100 pound tanks from Costco and got them filled so now I am set for probably 2 years. I do have an old electric stove in my shop for powder coating that I could show the stove police so I am covered .

glad you fessed up. i tubed you and saw your super slick uber efficient semi electric water heater….

how about a compromise?

propane range top and nuclear oven … make Hoekill half happy and save the planet win win ?

 

[Fordup]

glad you fessed up. i tubed you and saw your super slick uber efficient semi electric water heater….

how about a compromise?

propane range top and nuclear oven … make Hoekill half happy and save the planet win win ?

Hot water is the same no matter how you heat it but it takes wood or propane to make good bread. The moisture from propane makes everything bake better. I heat with wood so she'll never be happy with me. She scares me when it comes to 2a rights worse then Andy.

 

[Floyd]

Very exciting! but they stopped it just when it was getting good!
Finally the problem of urban decay has found a solution!!

 

[Bsthroop]

Please don't tell any greenies or their heads will explode, but trees don't eliminate Co2, they store it. So whether the tree dies and rots, or is burned, all that Co2 is released back where it came from.

 

[KNI]

What problems exist with using a modern NG or Propane fueled stove / oven / cooktop?

Leakage, incomplete combustion, excess co2 level, co poisoning and diminished o2 level.

All can be mitigated with proper design, maintenance and ventilation.

 

[KNI]

Please don't tell any greenies or their heads will explode, but trees don't eliminate Co2, they store it. So whether the tree dies and rots, or is burned, all that Co2 is released back where it came from.

True. Only forest fires and growing swamps and bogs seem to be a true carbon sink (up until the point when someone digs that stuff up from the ground).

 

[Fordup]

Leakage, incomplete combustion, excess co2 level, co poisoning and diminished o2 level.

All can be mitigated with proper design, maintenance and ventilation.

Plus all homes here have carbon monoxide sensors by law should a problem arise. We use tanks of Co2 to make sparkling water and most escapes into the air plus carbonate beer with it.

 

[Bob902]

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