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The fact of the matter is that our Ranger’s interiors are very outdated and Ford definitely cut corners. That being said, all of the midsize truck segment is subpar in that department and it’s horrible for consumers. I still love my truck, but I can also acknowledge that the interior is not great and I'm pretty disappointed in the fit and finish after living with her for 2 years. I would have much preferred the new bronco sport interior or a shrunken down F150 interior. Even a little ford ecosport can get a heated steering wheel and a moonroof, but not a $50K fully loaded ranger? Seems silly…
Who the hell pays $50k for a loaded Ranger?

Taking the current cluterfuck out of the equation, I paid $40k for my loaded Lariat less than a year ago. I shopped F-150s at the same time. Dollar for dollar I could've got a SCrew 4x4 2.7l F-150 XL for the same price.

Anybody saying that F-150s cost the same as Rangers just hasn't done their homework.
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but if someone is paying $40k+ for a higher trim, there's no real reason they shouldn't get the same level of interior quality they'd get paying $40k for a car
That's wrong and assumes that cars and trucks cost the same to develop and make.

Here's the reality - when you buy a truck the extra money goes into building a certifying a vehicle that can tow 7,500 lbs and handle rough environments. There's cost in the basic structural differences of a body-on-frame rwd versus a fwd architecture.

Please show me a $40,000 car that can tow 7,500 lbs and climb the side of a mountain the way the Ranger can.
 

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That's wrong and assumes that cars and trucks cost the same to develop and make.

Here's the reality - when you buy a truck the extra money goes into building a certifying a vehicle that can tow 7,500 lbs and handle rough environments. There's cost in the basic structural differences of a body-on-frame rwd versus a fwd architecture.

Please show me a $40,000 car that can tow 7,500 lbs and climb the side of a mountain the way the Ranger can.
What does that have to do with whether they pulled the dash components from a 2003 taurus or something newer? The cost of the basic structural differences are covered in the $25k base cost, so the next $15k is...what? Do you really think that everything in the ranger interior was designed specifically for the ranger, based on its ability to help tow? Do you think that the price difference between the XL and the Lariat has something to do with towing, or that the R&D for attaching all the parts-bin components to the t6 platform is the sole basis for the extra costs (rather than just padding profits?) Do you think the next generation is going to have the same interior, and won't be updated because it's impossible? This is nothing but a question of priorities. Ford doesn't really need to try harder to make a quality interior for this market segment and won't unless/until a competitor does. As long as they can continue to make profits while putting in a half-assed effort, that's what they'll do. As customers our choices are to put up with it or not buy a midsize truck, but sure as hell it's not a great route to customer loyalty.
 

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What does that have to do with whether they pulled the dash components from a 2003 taurus or something newer? The cost of the basic structural differences are covered in the $25k base cost, so the next $15k is...what? Do you really think that everything in the ranger interior was designed specifically for the ranger, based on its ability to help tow? Do you think that the price difference between the XL and the Lariat has something to do with towing, or that the R&D for attaching all the parts-bin components to the t6 platform is the sole basis for the extra costs (rather than just padding profits?) Do you think the next generation is going to have the same interior, and won't be updated because it's impossible? This is nothing but a question of priorities. Ford doesn't really need to try harder to make a quality interior for this market segment and won't unless/until a competitor does. As long as they can continue to make profits while putting in a half-assed effort, that's what they'll do. As customers our choices are to put up with it or not buy a midsize truck, but sure as hell it's not a great route to customer loyalty.
I don't disagree entirely but I will point out two things.

First, the Ranger does improve interior quality as price goes up, the hard plastic dash on my STX is soft touch stitched on a Lariat. Other changes exist, too.

Second, the lower trims are less profitable for Ford, so yes you're paying more than actual cost for the "luxury" features. A base XL does far less to keep the Ranger profitable than a fully-loaded Lariat does. In fact, Ford might be selling them at near cost. So no, just because. $25k option exists, doesn't suggest Ford is charging too much for higher trims. Think about the base $20k Maverick. Ford isn't stocking any at dealers, custom order only. I bet the Maverick wouldn't exist if they only offered a $20k version.
 

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I don't disagree entirely but I will point out two things.

First, the Ranger does improve interior quality as price goes up, the hard plastic dash on my STX is soft touch stitched on a Lariat. Other changes exist, too.
Yes, just enough to try to justify the cost difference. But this was basically my point from the beginning--ford is delivering a mediocre product to maximize profits because they don't feel any particular need to do better. You can argue that companies need to maximize profits, but I'll counter that there's a competing view that companies should try to make the best product they can sell at a fair price that gets them a reasonable profit and loyal customers. Some guy named Henry used to talk along those lines. There are no hard constraints preventing them from putting a better interior into a midsize truck, they simply chose not to. I get that there are financial decisions that have to be made. But I'll point out that the track record for Ford making good financial decisions is spotty at best, so it's more than fair to question whether they made the right decisions in any particular case rather than just accepting that they must have made the best possible choices. It's also fair to wonder whether the decisions were made objectively and rationally, or whether what we got is the result of internal politics and corporate infighting. At the end of the day I think it's reasonable to wish that when people point out that ford cut corners and phoned in a mediocre interior they don't get attacked by fanboys unwilling to concede the point. You might reasonably argue that some of the competitors are worse, but you can't compare a ranger interior to an F150 interior or pretty much anything at a similar price point that isn't a midsize truck and argue in good faith that the ranger has the best interior available. How much more would it have cost for a power adjustable seatback, memory adjustment, cooled seats, a less crappy instrument cluster, etc? Only ford knows. How much more would people have been willing to pay and how would that have affected bottom line profits? Not even ford knows that, because they never tried to sell that thing.
 

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I'm not a huge fan of Savagegeese reviews. They come of as smug jerks and most of their compliments are backhanded. That's their shtick.

This review was pretty accurate especially the complaint that the shift points lugging the engine in the 30 - 35 mph range. I manually downshift or drive in sport mode, but I shouldnt have to.

They describe the engine as potent , effective, and adequate. Its off road capability as extraordinary. Its looks as traditional and aged well. The interior as aged, but has the basics.

They say if you want an offroader get a bronco or jeep, If you want economy get a maverick. If you want towing and hauling get an f150. The thing I think they dont get is that the Ranger is a comprise. What if you want all those things?
 

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I'm not a huge fan of Savagegeese reviews. They come of as smug jerks and most of their compliments are backhanded. That's their shtick.

This review was pretty accurate especially the complaint that the shift points lugging the engine in the 30 - 35 mph range. I manually downshift or drive in sport mode, but I shouldnt have to.

They describe the engine as potent , effective, and adequate. Its off road capability as extraordinary. Its looks as traditional and aged well. The interior as aged, but has the basics.

They say if you want an offroader get a bronco or jeep, If you want economy get a maverick. If you want towing and hauling get an f150. The thing I think they dont get is that the Ranger is a comprise. What if you want all those things?
And a low price point. I LIKE my XL interior. I literally DON'T CARE about plastic dash vs padded fake leather, as long as it doesn't actively interfere with operating the vehicle (Like the shiny bezels and shiny plastic panel on the"higher" trims). Molded plastic can be styled to look cool, and leather can be styled to look ugly, and I only TOUCH my dashboard when I'm cleaning it. The seats are VERY comfortable to me, and there are two whole trim levels above mine. I think the BASE vehicle offers a LOT if capability, and Ford's upgrade path is very well-structured to convince people to upsell to "nicer" details and such IF THEY CARE. And they can save money for less functionality or "lower" the style and still get important functionality if that is important to them. I can get 4x4 and a locking diff without paying for an "upgraded" interior package that I don't give two shits about. One truck with so much variability, and everyone can get almost the exact mix of capability and style that they want and are willing to pay for.

Brilliant if you ask me, and I believe they will sell a ton if that ever becomes possible.

This is why professional reviews seem less relevant when they start deviating into criticism of "Interior trim quality". At that point, they are always driving the HIGHEST trim level, and bitching that "It misses the mark". A guy like me has already tuned out all their comments until they move on to the transmission or something. All they are doing is pretending that everybody really wants to spend more money for a "better quality" truck, and implying that "better quality" means a "nicer interior". As a consequence, the bitching about interior trim quality becomes a talking point for everybody who watches the reviews, and the guy who is waiting for somebody to test and discuss the locking diff gets a two sentence blurb that "some models offer a locking diff, which we didn't test"... GAAAAH... The reviewers drive what the OEM provides for them to test. Keep the salt shaker handy, boys...

I don't give a shit if Mr. Savage Geese BUYS a Ranger, but I want to hear what he thinks about stuff relevant to me. And in this case, I found his comments about the relevant bits of the Ranger to be spot on. It's dated, sure. You kknow what I was driving before the Ranger? A Ranger! (Mazda B3000 to be precise) Did I like it? Yes! Does Mr. Geese? No! So he has his opinions. But he did offer some pretty objective, informed opinion about a lot of things. I would happily drive my old B3000, except for the reliability problems that come with driving a vehicle that is 17 years old. Dated, schmated. I just want to to work, and be FUN to drive. I wasn't offended by his review at all. I thought it was very fair. And I LOVE my crazy mixed-up spec Ranger.
 

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Am I the only one who noticed that he praised the improved dash? You would think someone that does this for a living would know the differences between a Lariat and an XLT. Other than that, the rest of the review had some merit. It was obvious that he doesn't relate to the average Ranger buyer, though. Some people like utility, as well as being able to park it in a standard garage.
 

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I will say I know I am a bit of a naysayer when it comes to "improving" interiors. I just saw the new GMC Sierra's interior in the Denali Ultimate trim and it is very aesthetically pleasing, albeit I don't know how the open pore wood and leather would hold up to mud, oil, and general dirtiness that comes with life.


Maybe we do want a luxe Ranger interior after all?

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I will say I know I am a bit of a naysayer when it comes to "improving" interiors. I just saw the new GMC Sierra's interior in the Denali Ultimate trim and it is very aesthetically pleasing, albeit I don't know how the open pore wood and leather would hold up to mud, oil, and general dirtiness that comes with life.


Maybe we do want a luxe Ranger interior after all?

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For me personally, no. I don't expect a high level interior trim in the Ranger and if you (or anyone else does) you should be looking at a more higher end truck. Now you're comparing apples and oranges between both trucks. The Ranger is a mid size truck with just enough luxury in the Lariat to please most people. If you want high end luxury buy a higher end vehicle. If they (Ford) offered this it would raise the price so much most wouldn't buy it and even as a stand alone option I would bet there's just not a huge demand for this in a mid size. Heck, I see many here who opted for a lower trim because they don't like the leather in the Lariat.

The Denali is a totally different truck and attracts people looking for those features. Most will never take that truck off road and are just using it for towing, DD, or some who want to bling them out, see pic below. :shock: Just like the F150 Platinum which has all these higher end features. We don't need this in a Ranger which will jack the price up to appease the minority out there.

Just my 0.05.... adjusted for inflation. 😁



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For me personally, no. I don't expect a high level interior trim in the Ranger and if you (or anyone else does) you should be looking at a more higher end truck. Now you're comparing apples and oranges between both trucks. The Ranger is a mid size truck with just enough luxury in the Lariat to please most people. If you want high end luxury buy a higher end vehicle. If they (Ford) offered this it would raise the price so much most wouldn't buy it and even as a stand alone option I would bet there's just not a huge demand for this in a mid size. Heck, I see many here who opted for a lower trim because they don't like the leather in the Lariat.

The Denali is a totally different truck and attracts people looking for those features. Most will never take that truck off road and are just using it for towing, DD, or some who want to bling them out, see pic below. :shock: Just like the F150 Platinum which has all these higher end features. We don't need this in a Ranger which will jack the price up to appease the minority out there.

Just my 0.05.... adjusted for inflation. 😁

But the Denali Ultimate's MSRP is only $80.3k. What does that translate into in Ranger bucks? $65k?
 

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But the Denali Ultimate's MSRP is only $80.3k. What does that translate into in Ranger bucks? $65k?
So you're saying you'd pay $65K for a Ranger with an interior like a Denali? If so I think you're in the minority here because there's no way I would unless it's a Ranger Raptor and even then it better have a Coyote motor in it.
 
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