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I've never used a Weighsafe hitch or any alternatives.
how accurate are their scales?
How do they function? are they a hydraulic or pneumatic load cell? a strain gauge load cell?
are they calibrated, or can you calibrate them?
It doesn't look hokey, but it doesn't look super accurate to me either. Even your "about 200lbs" has me wondering.

I guess if i was to use them, it would be a reference point and i would know if I'm making my tongue heavier or lighter, just not sure exactly how much.

I think with your setup, you're going to have to play loadmaster and see what suits the truck the best. Hopefully new rear shocks make that process easier.

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this comes from their website, and I assume this is without any added personal items punched into the interior for the travels. the 200lbs referenced is on the low side if you say your dry weight is 1600lbs.
A couple suitcases or some added food etc will change this accordingly.

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Thanks

Definitely looking at upgrading suspension, but want something that's going to smooth out the bumps a bit more on trails, so still researching.

Can you tell me the model no you bought
I can help with this. Chances are Old Man EMU wpuld.be your friend here. I will message you with more info soon
 

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that thing looks dangerous.
how did health and safety approve that??
Hi RP,

That is why it is displayed up on top of the bookcase....

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My opinion...the bouncy, jarring problem lies with the trailer and it's light weight.
Ever tow an empty flatbed utility trailer at speed ? With every bump in the road it bounces like crazy, pulling and jerking the hitch, which transfers to the truck.
Now, load the same trailer with some weight near its capacity, and it will smooth out. May still bounce a bit, but nowhere near the jarring that the empty trailer does.
I looked at the specs on your trailer, and no way is it close to the capacity of the Ranger. I could safely tow that trailer behind my Subaru Crosstrek with no problem, and it's only 150 hp with a 5 speed.
 
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Yeah, I suspect that it's a combination of the light, unloaded trailer and weight imbalance.

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My trailer is similarly-sized, if a little lighter. The last time I had it weighed (loaded), it was 1400lbs with a 200lb tongue weight.

I probably ought to weigh again, as I've been changing some things. I swapped the AGM battery for a lithium (tongue box) and added a Dometic fridge and slide to the galley in back. I'll wait until I'm done with the changes, though. I think I'm going to move the spare tire to the tongue (it's currently mounted underneath the rear of the trailer) and also change up the wheels and tires (and fenders). I'll weigh it after I do all that stuff.

Anyway, the short of it is that when it's unloaded, I definitely feel more bounce than when it's loaded. I also don't have the FX4 suspension. Vanilla 4x4 for me, and I think it's a bit firmer. It's a little floaty back there occasionally, and I think I need a ball mount with more drop to level the trailer better. My trailer suspension is just un-damped leaf springs.
 

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I tow this tent trailer and with my Bilstein shocks I don't even know it's back there. I have towed it on gravel and dirt roads, highway at 75mph good to go. I do put weight in the trailer since it's only 1200# to help out. I still really need to stop at a weight station and determine my whole GVW, GV trailer weight when loaded but so far with 6 trips in the books good to go. The bed is full of camping stuff.
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Also, I looked on the web site for your rig and could see no leaf springs, which leads me to believe that it's a torsion bar type suspension. You might check with the trailer manufacturer to see if there is any type of adjustment for the torsion bars like there is on some similarly equipped cars/trucks. There might be a way to crank some of the "stiffness" out of the system.
Additionally, you might want to try a anti rattle/hitch immobilizer like one in photo. I can't tell from your photo, but if you have a slide in type hitch, one of these will work wonders for stopping the jarring being transferred to the truck. Even if there is only a slight amount of play in the hitch ball mount to the hitch platform, it will magnify to the truck. Basically this "locks" the ball mount to the hitch platform.

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Just picked up my 2022 Intech Flyer Pursue. 1600lbs dry weight, tongue weigh about 200lbs

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I drove from VT to KY to IL. the owing experience is horrible (stock equipment: only light bedding added). I'm towing with 2020 Ranger FX4 with tow package (7500lbs capacity) and every time I go over bumps or even slight undulations on highway it's bouncing so much that it feels like the car is misfiring (feels like a back and forth push-pull).

I've towed a Bantam T3-C (no shocks) for a year and that bounces all over the place, but I've never felt it in the truck (half the weight though). Hitch height is perfectly set, and I have a 2-inch WeighSafe ball hitch for the trailers 2-inch receiver.

Anyone got any ideas?

Thanks
Mark
You likely don't have your trailer set up quite right.
I tow a 1950# trailer with 240# of tongue weight and it is liquid smooth behind my 2WD STX SuperCab.

Start by actually weighing your trailer loaded and ready to tow.
Then measure the tongue weight.
Your trailer's attitude must be level or slightly low at the tongue,
Weight in the trailer should be biased over the axle and forward with 12 to 15% of the actual loaded weight on the tongue.
Be sure that the payload on the rear axle of the truck is not exceeded (INCLUDING the tongue weight)
Be sure that overall payload on the truck is not exceeded.
I see you have a roof rack on the truck which could help with cargo/passenger weight distribution.
Some of this stuff is not likely to be a problem but you must be step by step methodical.
When you get the trailer lined out and towing well, add a friction antisway device to the hitch.

Be sure that your tire pressures are right or a little tight ( including the trailer)

DRY weights are almost ALWAYS WRONG (light)

With a short wheel based (pin to axle) trailer, bounce can often be a bit of a problem, especially on concrete interstate highways which often have a bad screed pattern which is less noticeable
on LWB trailers or no trailer.
Check your work on Blacktop.
Lastly your truck runs great at 80MPH but that trailer does not... slow down and increase following distances when towing.
Good luck!

BTW ; I-294 in WI is the worst stretch of bad screed control in the US especially west of Madison.
Of course I-80 here in IL looks like the bombed out Ho-Chi Minh trail
 
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Get Eibach rear shocks.
This.

I had similar, unwelcome porpoising towing my 20' travel trailer with my '21 Lariat. Swapping out the stock shocks for Eibachs made a huge improvement. Added air pressure in the tires (+6 psi) helped a bit more. Adding the Hellwig rear sway bar helped a bit more (although this is probably not an option for serious off-roaders). Finally, increasing the spring bar tension on my weight distribution hitch helped in a noticeable way.

My spouse can now drink from a coffee mug while towing, instead of wearing it.
 

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I tow a 3200 lb trailer with a tongue weight of about 350 with another 100 lbs in the rear of the bed. It tows great so I don’t think you are heavy in that area. My guess is it’s just the light trailer doing a lot of bouncing which is being transmitted to the truck. Solutions, I have none.
 

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You likely don't have your trailer set up quite right.
I tow a 1950# trailer with 240# of tongue weight and it is liquid smooth behind my 2WD STX SuperCab.

Start by actually weighing your trailer loaded and ready to tow.
Then measure the tongue weight.
Your trailer's attitude must be level or slightly low at the tongue,
Weight in the trailer should be biased over the axle and forward with 12 to 15% of the actual loaded weight on the tongue.
Be sure that the payload on the rear axle of the truck is not exceeded (INCLUDING the tongue weight)
Be sure that overall payload on the truck is not exceeded.
I see you have a roof rack on the truck which could help with cargo/passenger weight distribution.
Some of this stuff is not likely to be a problem but you must be step by step methodical.
When you get the trailer lined out and towing well, add a friction antisway device to the hitch.

Be sure that your tire pressures are right or a little tight ( including the trailer)

DRY weights are almost ALWAYS WRONG (light)

With a short wheel based (pin to axle) trailer, bounce can often be a bit of a problem, especially on concrete interstate highways which often have a bad screed pattern which is less noticeable
on LWB trailers or no trailer.
Check your work on Blacktop.
Lastly your truck runs great at 80MPH but that trailer does not... slow down and increase following distances when towing.
Good luck!

BTW ; I-294 in WI is the worst stretch of bad screed control in the US especially west of Madison.
Of course I-80 here in IL looks like the bombed out Ho-Chi Minh trail
Can't speak to anything you said about towing because I rarely do but I can 100% agree with 294 and I-80; sounds like we run much of the same stretches of pavement and they are both awful!
 

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Just picked up my 2022 Intech Flyer Pursue. 1600lbs dry weight, tongue weigh about 200lbs

IMG_2291.jpeg


I drove from VT to KY to IL. the owing experience is horrible (stock equipment: only light bedding added). I'm towing with 2020 Ranger FX4 with tow package (7500lbs capacity) and every time I go over bumps or even slight undulations on highway it's bouncing so much that it feels like the car is misfiring (feels like a back and forth push-pull).

I've towed a Bantam T3-C (no shocks) for a year and that bounces all over the place, but I've never felt it in the truck (half the weight though). Hitch height is perfectly set, and I have a 2-inch WeighSafe ball hitch for the trailers 2-inch receiver.

Anyone got any ideas?

Thanks
Mark
As others have said, try some Bilstein or Eibach rear shocks. It's not an expensive investment, and you can do the work yourself, if you are mildly handy. I didn't tow prior to swapping mine out, but it drastically changed the rear bounce over speed bumps and the like.
 
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