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And just as I mention working in the steel industry, this is just the first domino to fall...taking care of their brothers? No strike fund for those poor USW guys, and they have it MUCH harder than the auto workers, I know, I worked in the blast furnace with some great, hard working sum bitches, its the 9th level of Dante' Inferno!

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And just as I mention working in the steel industry, this is just the first domino to fall...taking care of their brothers? No strike fund for those poor USW guys, and they have it MUCH harder than the auto workers, I know, I worked in the blast furnace with some great, hard working sum bitches, its the 9th level of Dante' Inferno!

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Just got back from 3 day music festival, son works for the promoter and met one of his co-workers dad, he spent 5 yrs at inland steel, my experience was limited to summer work but did some time on the blast furnace channeling slag, we had a riot exchanging stories, but unless you been there hard to relate to that type of work, blast furnace, coke ovens, bof, sintering plant, pickling mill and so on, yeah some hard working guys but also a whole lot of lazy a**ss and a tolerable mgmt in many instances. But quite the memories of a bygone industrial era
 

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And just as I mention working in the steel industry, this is just the first domino to fall...taking care of their brothers? No strike fund for those poor USW guys, and they have it MUCH harder than the auto workers, I know, I worked in the blast furnace with some great, hard working sum bitches, its the 9th level of Dante' Inferno!

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3 weeks back picked up my rv outside of Middletown oh, drove by a large plant with the unmistakable shape of a blast furnace and coke ovens, it was cleveland cliffs, but the structures were painted in white and red and looked clean, I thought to myself no way that can be a steel plant, one summer I worked for the plant railroad on the track gang and thus got to see a lot of the steel making, coke ovens were pretty unhealthy to be around as well, especially when the emission recovery stuff malfunctioned.
 

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I am just looking forward to the Chinese brands making big inroads to the North American market.
They have been looking for the chance and this could be it.
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Playing the devils advocate :devil:

This has a good and bad side.

The good side :like: :clap:

Since they're not building the Ranger; they can put the parts in the stock system so some of the people with their trucks sitting at a stealership waiting for these parts can get them back so they can have fun again :crackup:

The bad part :explode: :lipssealed:

The people waiting to get the truck they ordered will not be getting it any time soon and hope the stealerships won't try to add an additional mark-up to the already high cost of these trucks :surprised: :asshat::asshat:
 

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Ford didn’t take the bailout.


“Though GM and Chrysler eventually did get a bailout — Ford did not need help because it had fortuitously secured a large amount of financing shortly before the crisis — it was not all sweetness and light.Sep 12, 2018”
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The Auto Bailout 10 Years Later: Was It the Right Call? - Knowledge at Wharton
Ford gladly participated in “Cash for Clunkers” just like everyone else.

A bailout in any other name is still a bailout.
 

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With a 4 day work week and 5 weeks paid vacation plus 17 paid holidays...if my math is right that all adds up to 90 paid days off a year. Oh and retiree pay...retiree medical benefits. All for a bunch of bolt tighteners. Ford should just dissolve the company and rename it Foyota.
Add in a four to six hour liquid lunch at the union hall every day too.
 

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3 weeks back picked up my rv outside of Middletown oh, drove by a large plant with the unmistakable shape of a blast furnace and coke ovens, it was cleveland cliffs, but the structures were painted in white and red and looked clean, I thought to myself no way that can be a steel plant, one summer I worked for the plant railroad on the track gang and thus got to see a lot of the steel making, coke ovens were pretty unhealthy to be around as well, especially when the emission recovery stuff malfunctioned.
You're correct, that Middletown plant is now owned by Cleveland Cliffs, who started out as a mining company. It was formerly AK Steel, and they have one of the most productive blast furnaces in the world. Heavily into automotive steels. High strength, low alloy steels making the weight of cars and trucks go down dramatically; trying to stave off aluminum. But they were profit driven with very harsh management. Cliffs has brought a breath of fresh air to the industry. They invest heavily in maintenance, technology and safety as they are in it for the long haul and without steel plants there would be little use for their iron ore from Minnesota and MIchigan. (Their plants in Indiana, Ohio and Michigan supply most of the automotive steels -plus US Steel. The auto strikes ramping up will certainly hurt a lot of steelworkers) So most all Cliffs plants now are comparatively clean, although the cast floor of the blast furnace is still a hazardous place.
 

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You're correct, that Middletown plant is now owned by Cleveland Cliffs, who started out as a mining company. It was formerly AK Steel, and they have one of the most productive blast furnaces in the world. Heavily into automotive steels. High strength, low alloy steels making the weight of cars and trucks go down dramatically; trying to stave off aluminum. But they were profit driven with very harsh management. Cliffs has brought a breath of fresh air to the industry. They invest heavily in maintenance, technology and safety as they are in it for the long haul and without steel plants there would be little use for their iron ore from Minnesota and MIchigan. (Their plants in Indiana, Ohio and Michigan supply most of the automotive steels -plus US Steel. The auto strikes ramping up will certainly hurt a lot of steelworkers) So most all Cliffs plants now are comparatively clean, although the cast floor of the blast furnace is still a hazardous place.
Thanks for info, I grew up in a steel town, worked summers at Bethlehem's Lackawanna plant and brother and father (entire career) worked there. While in Pittsburgh in sales sold to Armco Steel and knew of the AK joint venture. but never made it to see the Middletown works. The Butler PA plant made a lot of stainless, for automotive and appliances mostly and much of their steel was made from scrap. And yeah I was very familiar with Armco's mgmt style - they were totally old school and a pia to work with.
 

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You should be mad at the automakers, not the striking workers. You should also be mad at any state that is not right to work, since there would be plenty of workers willing to work without being in the union if they could, but they can't.
 

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Well, we dodged a bullet up here - would have impacted Edge and Nautilus. 👍


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