Ford Issues Huge Recall On 2020 F250-F600's With 10R140 Transmission

[VAMike]

the fact is, the quality of produced materials such as metal is a measurable amount, and i dont think anyone won't argue the fact that Chinas metal industry leaves some question on that fact.

I'll argue it. Like anything else, you can buy cheap shit from China or you can buy good stuff. If you find something with cheap chinese parts, its because that's what the purchaser specified. China's aerospace program is too advanced for any questions about their ability to produce metal to be credible.

So why does so much cheap crap say "China" on it? Because when US manufactures go bottom feeding for the lowest quality/lowest priced components they can find, similarly spec'd US components are more expensive for the same low quality. There was a time when the US could mass produce cheap junk more cheaply than anyone else in the world (and boy, did the English manufacturers complain about that) but that time has passed.

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[Trigganometry]

I guess the question to be answered is what did Ford source and supply for the transmission?
did they gamble on the cheap, or did they pay for the quality parts we expect?

In reality the world supply chain is interconnected now. Let’s use this transmission as an example. 100’s of parts inside that for the most part are sourced internationally. These suppliers also depend on their suppliers and so it goes. Raw materials for these parts is dependent on where they’re made. I’ve personally seen the differences of US steel to Chinese. Huge difference and we still don’t manufacture all our steel needs anymore. Until that gets fixed the garbage materials will continue to work its way in.

 

[F150stxguy]

Coming from an F150 owner who actually loves the engine (and that’s about all). Just to give you an idea of Ford’s abysmally slow fixing of KNOWN issues.

The 3.5 Ecoboost has beenplagued with cam phaser issues going back to now 2011. There’s still updated TSB’s, updated parts, early early failures on brand new trucks. BEFORE that you had issues with the timing components on the 5.4 V8. Many newer coyote engine owners also experience bad or wonky design cam phasers, timing chain wear/stretch.

There’s the leaking composite oil pan (that I myself am affected by and have had replaced 3 times) and AND I don’t even fall into the TSB dates lol. Instead of Ford coming out with an aluminum oil pan they stick with the same process or calibrate the installation process while keeping the same material. 2.7 eco owners AND 3.5 eco owners have had this problem going back to 2015.

There’s the famous door lock issue in cold weather. I don’t need to elaborate on that as I think everyone knows about that.

Now the one that takes the cake for me. The one that’s the most infuriating- I dunno why- maybe it’s out in the open and it seems like they would give fuck, but they obviously don’t…….

literally almost ALL - yes almost all - you can go to any dealership and check for yourself - XL and XLT trims have warped dash vents. And it gets worse as it sits in the sun or ages as mine has (Texas heat and sun). This problem started in first production and ran with the EXACT same material and installation process from truck one all the way to the very last production in 2020. No revisions to the process. They’ve known about this since the beginning. I think st one point they issued a TSB for it and some guys on the forum had it done only for it to happen again anyway. So the majority of people - including myself - just said fuck it and live with it.

But it’s Ford’s attitude about it. How insane that such a known issue right from day one was ignored. And you have people that defend it. I only paid 37 k for my truck, but others paid way more. But it’s the principle. If that happened to Honda, Toyota, hell even GM or RAM, you can bet your ass something simple and cosmetic like that would be fixed within the same year or production. Ford literally ignored it. Didn’t think it was worth their time.

That simple thing right there shows me the culture at Ford doesn’t have quality as job number one in mind, and it’s definitely not costumer focused the way other manufacturers are.

There’s a lot of other little issues I’ve had with my truck that others have had on the forums. Like I know if I keep this truck I’m going to need a new front differential. Many have reported theirs needing a rebuild before 30k and that’s exactly when mine started humming.

But there’s a pattern. I’m not saying it’s a bad product. I love their power trains. But Ford is quick at innovation, slow at correcting manufacturing or engineering issues.

This is why I’m going to be very cautious about the Ranger. While I love the looks and the power train appeals to me, I’m asking a lot of different questions and I want to see what the beta testers have to say.

Excuse the rant. But this latest “recall” set me off.

 

[Floyd]

So.... Thread line reads...
Ford Issues Huge Recall On 2020 F250-F600's With 10R140 Transmission


Its actually a supplement to a Customer Satisfaction Program not a recall, and as for huge?
Ehh.... besides does this particular "bearing" even have a "race" to hate.

If you must delete the following...I get it....

Everything seems about race nowadays... there is only one race of humans (the Human Race)
The dividers only want to make everything about "race" for political reasons to gain power and suppress individual freedoms.
The new National Socialists would rather rule in HELL than serve in HEAVEN.

 

[Joeiconic]

I’m obviously a Ford guy too,

FYI, you’ve not made it that obvious. There are Ford guys and then there’s guys with Fords....

 

[F150stxguy]

FYI, you’ve not made it that obvious. There are Ford guys and then there’s guys with Fords....

Well I’ve bought a new focus, fusion, Taurus and finally an F-150. Now I’m seriously considering a Ranger. Sometimes I’m just extra critical I guess lol. And feeling a little pissed after the subpar owner experience with the F150. To be fair, I didn’t have an ounce of trouble with any Ford car. Which lead me to keep up grading.

 

[Rviator]

Dodge recalls transmissions too and their fixes are just plain incompetent.
I had a 1995 Dodge 2500 Cummins Turbo Diesel with an automatic transmission. Truck was recalled to replace the transmission coolant line fittings which were subject to cracking. OK, recall completed. On a subsequent hot day while towing a camper road trip I saw lots of smoke out the back. Pulled over noticed trans fluid all over chassis but no readily apparent leak. Re-filled trans. all OK so I continued maybe 100 miles to my destination. Took truck to a local dealer who replaced the very same fittings. Evidently the Dodge engineers were so dumb that the initial recall replaced the fittings with plastic ones that would melt at normal high load transmission temperatures! As an engineer myself I don't see how the operating temp. envelope would not be taken into account. The second fix returned to metal fittings.
Evidently at the side of the road I replaced a sufficient volume of cool trans fluid that the external cooler wasn't required before reaching my destination.

 

[the5Gmartian]

Not cool ? This kind of message stokes the hate and racism in US and elsewhere.

It only contributes to racism if you take that to be aimed at actual Chinese people. China, as a COUNTRY, is an absolutely evil and horrid country and should be brought to light all of the awful things that they are doing and planning. Like the 1,500,000 plus Uyghur Muslims in concentration camps. F*** China.

Now to get back on topic (kind of lol) as for the guy above me posting about out how GM, Ram and everyone else is doing better than Ford with quality… let me remind you of the 5.3 with afm, the 4L60E that was barely rated for the engine it was paired to, the 2.8 duramax that goes into limp mode every few hundred miles, the 3.6 with timing chain issues and don’t even get me started on FCA products…Every manufacturer has issues. Hell, Tacomas are having issues and they’ve been the same truck for the better part of a decade. Relax people. Jesus. This is almost as bad as the catch can folks ? Also the Ford Ranger is the most American vehicle that there is in terms of sourced materials and assembly. Engine, tranny and truck assembled in the U.S. (at least on my 2020).

 

[r1ch999999]

https://www.american.edu/kogod/research/autoindex/2020-auto-index.cfm

Ford has 28 entries in this list.
sadly very few exceed the 50% made in the USA

even more sad, the F250 isnt even on the list, so we dont know where it fits in the picture

Sad why? It’s not on the list because it’s not a passenger car or light truck.

 

[Leftcoast]

Not cool ? This kind of message stokes the hate and racism in US and elsewhere.

 

[the5Gmartian]

I know what number 1 is though
https://www.cars.com/articles/the-c...de-index-which-cars-are-most-american-422711/

 

[JohnnyO]

Yep. I’ve bitched about Ford quality on an F150 forum I was a member of. And I always got the brand cultists to come out of the woodwork and defend them.

I’m obviously a Ford guy too, but their quality has been dropping over the years. A few months ago there was a study and it showed Ford paid out way more for warranty claims than Dodge and GM. An actual analysis proved that to be the case.

What a clusterfuck.

Also, I get that Ford innovates more than the other truck manufacturers, but you have to wonder if they actually test their products before putting them out to the public. The last few years have been an absolute train wreck for Ford.

The roll out of the Explorer comes to mind.

Same here. Love my Fords but they've built crap transmissions for about 20 years starting with the Taurus. I had two Sport Tracs and the 5r55E and even the 6 speed with the V8 are lucky to last 100,000 miles and almost no one gets to 150k without a rebuild. Mine was rebuilt at 130k despite three fluid changes since new, my transmission guy says it's just a weak design like the Taurus. My daughter got a new 2014 Fiesta, been back to the dealer twice for TSB's on the trans and it's bad enough that there is a class action lawsuit about Fiesta and Focus automatics (I told her to get a stick).

 

[SFB]

This is one of those times where it would be better for Ford to have entire transmissions sent to the dealers and swap them as the trucks come in. I wonder the legality of giving a customer a rebuilt transmission under warranty, it's probably not allowed. Too bad though, it has to be faster to drop a tranny and throw in a new one than rebuild the stupid thing.

When you have either a tranny or engine replaced under warranty it is never new! They are all remanufactured. I have asked this question at a dealer when I was getting my tranny replaced on my Windstar van. I was told new product only goes in new production. Only so many are made. No where in your warranty does it imply you will get a new replacement. If I am wrong on please let me know.

 

[Jrel209]

Carvana is buying up used vehicles at a premium....

 

[r1ch999999]

Same here. Love my Fords but they've built crap transmissions for about 20 years starting with the Taurus. I had two Sport Tracs and the 5r55E and even the 6 speed with the V8 are lucky to last 100,000 miles and almost no one gets to 150k without a rebuild. Mine was rebuilt at 130k despite three fluid changes since new, my transmission guy says it's just a weak design like the Taurus. My daughter got a new 2014 Fiesta, been back to the dealer twice for TSB's on the trans and it's bad enough that there is a class action lawsuit about Fiesta and Focus automatics (I told her to get a stick).

I had a sport Trac with a manual, other than a freak problem that caused the clutch to go out, it was bulletproof.

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